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Plisco
Thu Nov 15 2007, 03:55AM Print
Plisco Registered Member #1119 Joined: Wed Nov 14 2007, 09:15PM
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Hey, im currently a high school senior and my friend and i want to make a rail gun for our science project. We have done a fair amount of research and have collected alot of our materials. I just have a question on the power supply. We were going to use a compulsator, but since that is a little out of our range as far as technically speaking, we've decided to use capacitors. Now as i understand it, i can connect the capacitors in series, charge them probably by using a wall plug and bridger, then discharging them through the rails. One question i have is what kind of capacitor would work best, and what is the best method of discharging the energy? A switch or injecteing the projectile into the "hot" rails? Sorry if this may sound naive, im trying to learn as much as i can, and any help is appreciated.
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Cwazy
Thu Nov 15 2007, 04:06AM
Cwazy Registered Member #1106 Joined: Thu Nov 08 2007, 01:15AM
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im not a pro or anything, but for caps, electrolytic type caps seems to be the best due to their small size and availability/affordability. yes you would need a switch. i think railguns, just like coilguns use scr switching devices to act as a swich.

one question: what made you choose rail over coil?
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Plisco
Thu Nov 15 2007, 04:09AM
Plisco Registered Member #1119 Joined: Wed Nov 14 2007, 09:15PM
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at the time it seemed easier, which we both recognize as wrong now.Also we figured we could get more performance out of a rail gun. But i like a challenge and i want to finish this, so its either do or die. But not literally die of course
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Shaun
Thu Nov 15 2007, 04:15AM
Shaun Registered Member #690 Joined: Tue May 08 2007, 03:47AM
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A coilgun or ring launcher would be MUCH easier to build. Railguns are tricky, what with the projectile wanting to weld to the rails and all. I'm a senior too, and I will tell you that once you have the materials, you can throw together a single stage coilgun in a day.

If you are convinced on making a rail gun, you will need a bunch a fairly high-voltage high-energy capacitors, a BIG SCR to fire it, and a proper HV charging supply.

Rectified mains only gives 170V (on 120V mains), which will probably not do for a railgun. Think at least 400+.
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Overclocked
Fri Nov 16 2007, 02:28AM
Overclocked Registered Member #1056 Joined: Thu Oct 11 2007, 11:15PM
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Shaun wrote ...

A coilgun or ring launcher would be MUCH easier to build. Railguns are tricky, what with the projectile wanting to weld to the rails and all. I'm a senior too, and I will tell you that once you have the materials, you can throw together a single stage coilgun in a day.

If you are convinced on making a rail gun, you will need a bunch a fairly high-voltage high-energy capacitors, a BIG SCR to fire it, and a proper HV charging supply.

Rectified mains only gives 170V (on 120V mains), which will probably not do for a railgun. Think at least 400+.

You can use a Full Wave Voltage Doubler On the Mains which would give 340V, Although I recommend some kind of isolation transformer between you and the mains. 2 Transformers Connected back to back can do this.
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badastronaut
Fri Nov 16 2007, 10:19PM
badastronaut Registered Member #222 Joined: Mon Feb 20 2006, 05:49PM
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Shaun, the projectile never welds to the rails in a working railgun design. If it welds, then that means that the railgun will never work even with near zero friction.

Welding indicates that the projectile has not traveled far or at all along the rails, meaning that the action integral of the energy pulse is too small. It also means the barrel is too long.

I would suggest a plasma armature railgun if building one is absolutely necessary. It has much better performance for small energies than solid armatures. Getting 250m/s+ speed with a .5g projectile with 5kj is easy with plasma. The same gun might only do 0-40m/s with a solid armature.
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Plisco
Mon Nov 19 2007, 10:39PM
Plisco Registered Member #1119 Joined: Wed Nov 14 2007, 09:15PM
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I have a noobie question. Whats an SCR?
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Psyko
Mon Nov 19 2007, 10:52PM
Psyko Registered Member #81 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:57AM
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Silicon controlled rectifier - Thyristor or electronic switch. Check Google.
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Plisco
Tue Nov 27 2007, 02:01AM
Plisco Registered Member #1119 Joined: Wed Nov 14 2007, 09:15PM
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do yall have a site or source where i can get a AC/DC inverter and a pretty good step up transformer?
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Electroholic
Tue Nov 27 2007, 03:11AM
Electroholic Registered Member #191 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 02:01AM
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Inverters makes AC from DC.
All you need is a rectifier to make DC from AC.

As for step up transformers, assuming you will be running it at 50/60hz, NSTs or MOTs are pretty common.
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