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rp181
Wed Nov 07 2007, 01:39AM Print
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is there any cheap and simple way for converting about 220 volts dc to ac?
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Coyote Wilde
Wed Nov 07 2007, 01:44AM
Coyote Wilde Registered Member #175 Joined: Tue Feb 14 2006, 09:32PM
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How cheap/simple do you need? Cheapest and simplest would be a DC motor coupled to an AC generator-- but that won't exactly be efficient, now will it?
More efficient would be a smaller DC motor spinning a communator to flip the waveform at 60Hz-- but you're not going to get a nice sine wave that way, and the efficiency would still leave something to be desired.
A solid state inverter will be neither cheap nor simple to build; buying one is simple but not cheap, but almost always turns out to be the best option.
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Bjørn
Wed Nov 07 2007, 02:17AM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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If you want to be really cheap and nasty you can use an oscillating relay,

What we need to know is the needed power and quality of the output (what is it going to be used for).

A definition of cheap and simple in this case would be helpful too.
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rp181
Wed Nov 07 2007, 10:35PM
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can you explain the ocsillating relay more? I mainly want to convert a camera flash output to AC to put through and voltage multiplier. I read some where this can be done by removing the diode, is this true? I mainly want to build for expierementation, but also for charging caps at higher voltage.
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AndrewM
Wed Nov 07 2007, 11:03PM
AndrewM Registered Member #49 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:05AM
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its more-or-less impossible. several universities have been running high profile experiments for decades trying to solve this problem without any luck.

sorry...
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Bjørn
Wed Nov 07 2007, 11:03PM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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If you connect up a relay like this: Link2 it will oscillate on and off. Then you use spare contacts or an additional relay to reverese the polarity of your DC supply. It is not a good solution but simple.

Instead of removing the diode you might want to make a connection before the diode then you can extract the output of the transformer and experiment without modifying the circuit.
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Wolfram
Wed Nov 07 2007, 11:04PM
Wolfram Registered Member #33 Joined: Sat Feb 04 2006, 01:31PM
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Yes, removing the diode will work fine.

I've tried this myself, and it works really well, especially with inverters from Fuji cameras. I was able to get about 6-7kV out with a 5-stage multiplier and 3V in.
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rp181
Wed Nov 07 2007, 11:56PM
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i tried bypassing the diode, but not sure if its AC, multimeter not working ;(

as for the voltage multiplier, does it have to be low capacitance? and do non polarized caps work?
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