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CDX825
Sat Nov 03 2007, 09:50AM Print
CDX825 Registered Member #1080 Joined: Sun Oct 28 2007, 06:55AM
Location: Northern Ohio
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I want to build a mot powered jacobs ladder. I just scored and old microwave from the seventies and it has to be one of the heaviest microwaves I have ever moved. I pulled the transformer out along with anything else that was good such as the high voltage cap some switches and resistors and other good stuff. I have read alitle into powering anything with mot and realize it needs to be ballasted but was wondering how long I could run the thing if properly setup and how far apart should I place the electrodes. I was also thinking of using the cooling fan from the microwave to cool the transformer. Any help would be greatly appreciated as Im a newbie to this sort of thing although I have been interested in electricity and elctronics for quite some time.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Nov 03 2007, 10:53AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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The easiest ballast for a MOT is to use the HV capacitor in series with the MOT secondary. It also helps the arc length by increasing the "effective" voltage across the arc (sorry I dont know how to say this better). However this is sometimes not enough to properly ballast it.

You will have big difficutly starting the arc as 2kv will not jump more than a mm or so (in jacobs ladder operation) and the arc will most likely be stuck at the bottom. This can be made a bit better by using a center electrode in the bottom of the ladder that is connected to one terminal through a high value HV resistor.
You can still start the arc with some insulating stick but I think this is not too practical..
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Dr. Slack
Sun Nov 04 2007, 09:27PM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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See if you can score a second MOT. Connect the primaries in anti-parallel, so the secondaries make a ground centre-tapped 4kV. The extra voltage will make a big difference to starting the ladder. At a pinch, you can use an electric kettle as a primary ballast, but you'll get better results with inductive ballast, like another 2 MOTs (you can never have too many MOTs).

How close to put the electrodes? You can only experiment.
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Nik
Sun Nov 04 2007, 09:46PM
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
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I have about 16 mots now, is that too many?

As for close electrodes at the bottom I made it around this problem by attaching a BIG (10megOhm) resistor to a wire halfway between wires at the narrowest section of the ladder. This makes a small "pilot" arc that helps bridge the gap. You can see the resistor in the image below.
1194212799 53 FT33707 Long Ladder 1
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Dr. Slack
Mon Nov 05 2007, 07:57AM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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I have about 16 mots now, is that too many?


No. Repeat after me ... "You can never have too many MOTs". Unless of course you are storing them on a high shelf in one box.

That centre electrode with a high R to one wire, it has been referred to as a "Gabriel gap", see this from BigClive Link2
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CDX825
Thu Nov 08 2007, 09:58AM
CDX825 Registered Member #1080 Joined: Sun Oct 28 2007, 06:55AM
Location: Northern Ohio
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Thanks for all the info! I will see if can com acrost some more mots!
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