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HV "Pinwheel", round jacobs ladder

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Nik
Sun Oct 28 2007, 10:52PM Print
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I made a kind of round jacobs ladder today. It uses a few simple parts and delivers some HV eyecandy. So heres the guts;
7.4kv 10ma electronic (GFCI) NST
Magnetron magnets
2x 12awg wire rings
30x 1kv 1A diodes (I had the string laying around)

The speed of the arc can be controlled by the strength of the magnetic field (more magnets or closer magnets makes the arc spin faster.) The rings don't have to be perfectly round for this to work but it helps a lot if they are. My next step is to go bigger.

Videos:
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*edit* fixed the second link
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Sun Oct 28 2007, 11:15PM
... Registered Member #56 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:02AM
Location: Southern Califorina, USA
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Very nice!

I wonder what it would take to make a large scaled one... Perhaps it would be easiest to use a big loop of wire and use that as the source of the agnetic field? As a bonus you could also vary the voltage to the coil and adjsut the speed smile
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Shaun
Sun Oct 28 2007, 11:35PM
Shaun Registered Member #690 Joined: Tue May 08 2007, 03:47AM
Location: New Jersey, USA
Posts: 616
Link #2 does not work...but very cool!

Maybe get some of those massive ring magnets from high-power loudspeakers...

I'm not sure which would look cooler for this, more volts or more amps...
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Nik
Mon Oct 29 2007, 12:56AM
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I was thinking of making a large ring around a point electrode and powering it with my (rectified) mots. For a magnetic field I would lay out as many magnetron magnets as I have.
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Oct 29 2007, 03:31PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
Location: Czech Rep.
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This is fun, I have one large 3" speaker magnet, as soon as I get FETs for my flyback driver (tomorrow) I'll try it with a large DC flyback.

Do you think it will work this way?
1193671907 152 FT33445 Rotoarc
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uzzors2k
Mon Oct 29 2007, 03:50PM
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
Location: Norway
Posts: 1308
Awesome Nik! It would be cool to scale that up a few times. How slow can you make the arc go/ what happens with the magnet at a larger distance?

Jmartis, that works too. I've been wanting to try it with resonant MOT stack, but I just haven't had the time. Here's a picture from my offline driver.

1193673037 95 FT33445 Magnet Plasma Vortex
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Nik
Mon Oct 29 2007, 11:58PM
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I got it to go a little less then 1 revolution per second, after that it gets a little jumpy and likes to stick in one place. The distance between the magnet and the arc changes the speed of the arc. I did not use one of the magnets as an electrode because I have already broken a few magnets from rapid heating and cooling ( arcs and microwaves :-S ).

The only limit to using mots (that I can see) is getting a magnet or magnetic field close enough to the electrodes that is big enough to make the arc rotate. The upside down V shape that mot arcs like to make makes me think that its own magnetic field might be too far from the static field to be any use.

After saying all of that, it never hurts to try. Maybe I will be wrong and it will be a booming, wizzing arcing success.
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Capper
Thu Nov 01 2007, 11:21PM
Capper Registered Member #914 Joined: Fri Jul 20 2007, 06:22PM
Location: South Bend, IN
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That's the coolest thing I've seen all week.
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Coronafix
Thu Nov 01 2007, 11:57PM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 938
Yep. That is so cool Nik! Nice one!!
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Tom540
Fri Nov 02 2007, 01:16AM
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Yeah agreed. Thats awesome.
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