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Underwater Lifters?

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Alan
Fri Oct 26 2007, 11:45AM Print
Alan Registered Member #1069 Joined: Wed Oct 17 2007, 06:23PM
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For the same reasons as lifters don't work in no pressure (like in space), could lifters work better underwater, or under salt water?
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Electroholic
Fri Oct 26 2007, 06:10PM
Electroholic Registered Member #191 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 02:01AM
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I really dont like to refer to his site, but heres one under oil. Link2
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Coyote Wilde
Fri Oct 26 2007, 06:48PM
Coyote Wilde Registered Member #175 Joined: Tue Feb 14 2006, 09:32PM
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I imagine that salt water, being already ionized, would work great in the ion drive of a lifter. Build one and you can race TDU's MHD-powered boat :P
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ShawnLG
Sat Oct 27 2007, 06:01AM
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Salt water is conductive and will not work. Distilled water may work.
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Alan
Sat Oct 27 2007, 10:13PM
Alan Registered Member #1069 Joined: Wed Oct 17 2007, 06:23PM
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Are you saying that air is not electrically conductive? So how does the electricity travel though the air? and If it doesn't travel anywhere then why do lifters make thrust?

Is he saying that the oil had a far more significant effect than air? If so it could be well worth trying different substances.
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Shaun
Sun Oct 28 2007, 02:47AM
Shaun Registered Member #690 Joined: Tue May 08 2007, 03:47AM
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IONIZED air is electrically conductive, and the only ionized air is the air near the electrode. This is how a lifter works- The air near the electrode is ionized, then repelled, producing an equal but opposite force in the electrode/lifter.

Salt water is conductive, so it would be the same as using a giant electrode-it will still be trying to ionize the air, but only the air near the surface of the water. Nothing would happen.

It works with oil, I imagine, because although oil is MUCH harder to ionize, some of it will and produce that same force.

I agree with ShawnLG, it may be a good idea to try distilled water, even thought the effects would probably be similar to oil.
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Tesladownunder
Sun Oct 28 2007, 04:37AM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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Coyote Wilde wrote ...

I imagine that salt water, being already ionized, would work great in the ion drive of a lifter. Build one and you can race TDU's MHD-powered boat :P
I have in fact considered using a HV supply on a boat powered by a horizontal "lifter". If you got 3g force and the boat and batteries were not too heavy then it should move. Possibly even faster then the MHD-powered boat.
TDU
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Marko
Sun Oct 28 2007, 10:44AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Lifters are EHD, not MHD and work from high voltage and need high impedance ionizable medium to work. Slat water would just short them out.

In very pure deionized water they might just work... in oil too.
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