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IamSmooth
Tue Oct 23 2007, 08:07PM Print
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Grid-tie inverters have a strick input voltage range. If the voltage is exceeded the inverter can be destroyed. If I wanted a voltage range of say 75-150v, what would be a simple way to limit the voltage to no more than 150v?

My question, just to clarify, is not about inverters, but how one would ensure that if the input to the "regulator" exceeds 150v, the output will put out no more than 150v and sink the rest. I build a simple device for my solar charger using diodes and a transistor to sink excess current. 150v, though, seems like a lot of diodes so I wanted to know if there was a simpler way.
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Coyote Wilde
Tue Oct 23 2007, 09:42PM
Coyote Wilde Registered Member #175 Joined: Tue Feb 14 2006, 09:32PM
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I was under the impression that solar cells are pretty much incapable of causing voltage spikes. ie, if the maximum voltage of your bank is 150V (which is rather high, but I guess if you don't have batteries...) you will under no circumstances get a voltage higher than that off the cells. But that could just be me.
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Sulaiman
Tue Oct 23 2007, 10:27PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Google for "shunt regulator"

You can use (one or more in series) zener or tvs diodes and a bjt or mosfet or igbt

What would be the maximum current that has to be 'shunted' ?
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IamSmooth
Wed Oct 24 2007, 12:16AM
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I don't have any actual plans in mind, yet. It was more of a general question. With regards to what is providing the power, I am looking at a wind turbine which can generate spurious voltages. During a high wind the voltage could get out of hand and hence the reason for protecting the inverter.
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Sulaiman
Wed Oct 24 2007, 08:21AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Then a shunt regulator is the thing for you,
as the wind blows too strongly the shunt regulator will prevent the blades turning too quickly
by loading the generator. One type of electric brake.

If you don't want to dissipate all of the energy in the transistor you could put one or more
electric light bulbs in the colector/drain etc. depending upon power levels maybe an electric heater etc.
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IamSmooth
Fri Oct 26 2007, 01:22PM
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So, if I wanted to prevent any voltage over 150v dc to the inverter would I set the base of my transistor to turn on at around 140v so it sinks the current, and is maximally open at 150v? Are there diodes with breakdown voltages this high or do I have to string some together? Thanks
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ragnar
Fri Oct 26 2007, 01:45PM
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I was just about to say, avalanche-rated MOSFETs will act a bit like zener diodes above their breakdown voltage.

A great selection of voltage and current ranges available, and you can heatsink the package neatly and easily. wink
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IamSmooth
Fri Oct 26 2007, 02:22PM
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The generator is going to potentially put out 1kw. I know I can shunt small currents with some BJTs and I guess MOSFETs (though I haven't personally used the latter for this purpose, yet). I am still at a loss as to how to handle such large currents. Would I need to run a few of the devices in parallel to split the load and dump them into some high wattage resistors?
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ragnar
Sat Oct 27 2007, 01:02AM
ragnar Registered Member #63 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:18AM
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Yep, you can put them in parallel -- just choose MOSFETs with a high current rating, but the correct breakdown voltage. I can't imagine you really wanting to waste more than a few hundred watts from the generator... :P
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Marko
Sat Oct 27 2007, 08:39AM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Why don't you just go for a larger series string of TVS's? like 15x10V or so?
They'l happily shunt large voltage transients and if they last too long they blow a fuse and protect themselves and the circuit.

(Although I too don't see what could cause large voltage transients on a solar array?)

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