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Neon 'Light saber' (Misleading title, sorry)

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Firnagzen
Sun Oct 21 2007, 04:40AM Print
Firnagzen Registered Member #567 Joined: Tue Mar 06 2007, 10:55AM
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Sorry about the title, it seems rather misleading but I couldn't come up with anything better!

I read the book '(number, 25, I think) electronic gadgets for the evil genius' in the library yesterday.

Well, most of it is exaggeration, I really doubt that some of those projects will really work... One of them is an EMP generator which is supposed to knock out electronic gadgets at a long range by exploding a wire... Yeah, right. Well anyway...

One of the projects that caught my eye however, was the 'lightsaber'. I know there's such a product on the market, this book gives plans. Only thing is, it apparently needs a special neon tube only orderable through their site. No details given. It's on this page: Link2 ,aboutthree quarters the way down. It's called NE26 - 26" Colored Neon Tube. No other details given.

Does anyone know abything about these mysterious tubes? I mean, are they just normal neon tubes or what?
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Sun Oct 21 2007, 04:57AM
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I am pretty sure they are normal tubes, with only one electrode.
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Bored Chemist
Sun Oct 21 2007, 09:48AM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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Just for a start it's not a neon tube. For most practical purposes neon only does red and they offer a range of colours.
My guess is that it's more like a long thin "plasma globe".
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Sun Oct 21 2007, 10:05AM
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You can get 'neon' tubes for just about any color you want, which are made usually with Hg and a phosphor. They are still called 'neon' for whatever reason.

The key behind those sabers is the driver, the driver out of one of them can make any 'neon' tube glow with only one end connected.
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Coronafix
Sun Oct 21 2007, 10:20AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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How did I know that link was going to be amazing1!!
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Tesladownunder
Mon Oct 22 2007, 01:56AM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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"Neon" tubes are the warm colours of red yellow and orange. Only the red does not use a phosphor. The cold colours of green blue and violet are from argon and a phosphor. In my lifter display, I use two argon tubes as well as little neon pilot globes on the lifter.

Note that the one sided electrodes for the neons are not that. They just have a very fine wire to the other end.


1193017621 10 FT33071 Lifter3up Small
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Electroholic
Mon Oct 22 2007, 02:27AM
Electroholic Registered Member #191 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 02:01AM
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i think its Hg + Ar, not just Ar. Hg makes the UV.
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Firnagzen
Mon Oct 22 2007, 11:34AM
Firnagzen Registered Member #567 Joined: Tue Mar 06 2007, 10:55AM
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Actually, TDU, it apparently is a one sided electrode. As I remember (I don't have the book right now), the circuit only needed a single connection to the tube.

I think that the tube is lit up in the same way as a fluorescent tube and a tesla coil or a plasma globe. The power supply is a 2kV AC supply, I think. Do you think a conventional neon tube would work?

EDIT: [sarcasm]Goldsphere, I don't know. How did you know?[/sarcasm]

Ps. I think they're just called neon tubes. I mean, you use neon sign transformers to drive tesla coils, right? But they're not called tesla coil transformers except by rather sad people.
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Spedy
Mon Oct 22 2007, 06:45PM
Spedy Registered Member #964 Joined: Wed Aug 22 2007, 12:39AM
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Yah, just normal "Neon" tubes.. and like the other people said for different colors. It can also be driven w/o the internal connection, the book says capacitive coupling works well. (Think Al or Cu adhesive tape wrapped around outside of "Ne" tube base for connection)

I like that book, already built the "2-inch TC with timer". I wouldn't call it a TC, since it doesn't use resonance in the tank circuit, but It's still pretty cool. The timer doesn't work on mine for some reason... oh well.
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