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IamSmooth
Wed Sept 12 2007, 01:06PM Print
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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I am using a vintage voltmeter that is 1000 ohm/volt (1ma for full deflection). I am using this DC meter to measure AC voltage. An AC and DC voltage is measured across a resistor. The AC voltage is isolated with a 470uf capacitor that then goes through a schotky full-wave rectifier (0.2v drop). The rectified voltage is maintained with a capacitor. The measuring DC voltmeter clearly draws some current with throughs off the accuracy of my measurements as the voltage being measured is no more than 5v and the current through the measuring resistor is about 10-15ma.

Is there any way around this and still maintain my vintage voltmeter?
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Steve Conner
Wed Sept 12 2007, 01:49PM
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Yes, just change the measuring resistor until the meter reads properly.
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IamSmooth
Wed Sept 12 2007, 04:52PM
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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Steve,

I need a specfic value for the circuit. In this case, the resistor being used for the voltage being measured is 268 ohms. Of course, the volt meter @ 1000 ohm/volt has a significantly low resistance. Can I modify my measuring resistor so its value in parallel with my voltmeter is 268 ohms?
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Wed Sept 12 2007, 05:38PM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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Can you not just build your own probe and set the meter to read DC? That's what I'm doing for my RF work right now.
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Sulaiman
Wed Sept 12 2007, 06:34PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Suppose you want the meter to read 5 Vrms full-scale = 1 mA dc average.
For a full-wave rectified sinewave,
rms current = (peak current)/SQRT(2)
avg current = (peak current) x 2/pi
so
(rms current) = (avg current) x pi/(sqrt(2) x 2) = (avg current) x 1.11
so
for 1 mA avg, Iac = 1.11 mArms
and
5 Vrms/1.11 mArms = 4.5 kOhm. (in series with the meter)

For 268 ohms total, R = (268 x 4500)/(4500 - 268) = 285 Ohms

If I didn't make any misteaks.
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