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Robert Mani
Thu Aug 16 2007, 07:19PM Print
Robert Mani Registered Member #799 Joined: Wed May 23 2007, 05:24PM
Location: Barrie. Ontario, Canada
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Hi all,

I am trying to build an electronic dew sensor for some device that can not tolerate water condensation. I have found one simple design that uses a resistive dew sensor element , an Op-amp as a comparator and an Opto coupler. Yo can find this design under the website:
Link2

However the resistive element is hard to find and I have found a store which carries the capacitive sensor.

My question is how would the circuit change if I use a capacitive element.I have already done a search on the net and did not find anything for the capacitive version.

Cheers

R.M
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Sulaiman
Thu Aug 16 2007, 07:38PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Take apart any old VCR and you will find one.

A small white (ceramic?) rectangle with a black active area.

Usually on the capstan motor, if not look around - easy to spot.
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thedatastream
Thu Aug 16 2007, 08:02PM
thedatastream Registered Member #505 Joined: Sun Nov 19 2006, 06:42PM
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If you wanted to use the capacative sensor, you need to excite it with an AC waveform and put a capacitor in series with it to act as a potential divider. You can then rectify / integrate this signal and compare it with a reference.

I didn't know that VCRs had dew sensors in them - every day is a school day!
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Carbon_Rod
Fri Aug 17 2007, 12:22AM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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Condensation sensors (white/green/grey wafer in VHS VCRs) are not humidity sensors.

btw capacitive sensors are typically more sensitive, but have limited range (<95% non-condensing RH).


What is the intended application? Honeywell at one point made HVAC and instrumentation sensors. I forget who is licensed to sell their product line these days.

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Bjørn
Fri Aug 17 2007, 03:55AM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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What about using a normal cheap humidity sensor and a temperature sensor?
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Robert Mani
Fri Aug 17 2007, 04:52AM
Robert Mani Registered Member #799 Joined: Wed May 23 2007, 05:24PM
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The application needs a condensation sensor, not a humidity sensor. I have to find a broken VCR to take apart!!
Some Thermoeleric cooler for a spectrometer is producing water condensations. The idea is to shut it off when this happens and produce some kind of warning signal.

I think Sulaiman's and data stream's ideas probably were to route to go.
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Carbon_Rod
Fri Aug 17 2007, 05:06AM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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Some people use a safe gas layer to prevent water condensation (Canned Air (non-cfc), Helium, or welding Argon). Perhaps something similar to the setup for CCD optics in telescopes may prove useful (encase all but the sensor window in epoxy.)

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Sulaiman
Fri Aug 17 2007, 06:12AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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If you need a true humistor there is one in an atmospheric radiosonde
you can get them on eBay very cheaply.
There's also a thermistor, a capacitive anemometer
and a water-activated battery.
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Bjørn
Fri Aug 17 2007, 06:23AM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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If you have the temperature and humidity you will know about potential problems before they happen and not after.
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