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Danielle
Wed Jun 06 2007, 02:09AM Print
Danielle Registered Member #632 Joined: Mon Apr 09 2007, 01:09AM
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I was looking through my schools junkyard and I found a large mill this mill had a very large motor in it. I took it out and cleaned it then tested the speed. It ran at 1796 RPM and is a Westinghouse motor it is really nice. It is very well constructed and is 5A 120V 1 phase. designed for continuous operation. I can run it at 50% power from a variac and it is silent bit when I have it at 100% it is rather noisy . Here are some pics of it tell me what you think if I can use this for a synchronous SG.

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1181095779 632 FT0 Img 0202

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Adrian
Wed Jun 06 2007, 01:34PM
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I've not designed or built a SGTC before however I dont think you need such a large motor. Assuming its RPM is enough for the task though, I dont see why it couldn't be used.
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Steve Conner
Wed Jun 06 2007, 01:46PM
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If you want it to be synchronous, you'll need to grind four flats on the rotor. This is best done by a machine shop.
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Danielle
Wed Jun 06 2007, 03:34PM
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Is it necessary to modify the motor, when it spins so near 1800 RPM? Will it work as synchronous or not if I were o use it as is?
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Steve Conner
Wed Jun 06 2007, 04:29PM
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Yes, you have to modify it, or it won't be synchronous.
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IamSmooth
Wed Jun 06 2007, 09:28PM
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Synchronous implies that it follows the AC waveform exactly. The AC current induces a magnetic field in the coils and the rotor precisely follows the rotating field. This insures that your gap is firing exactly at the same spot relative to the AC waveform. If it is off by any amount the gap will move down the curve and start firing at progressively farther points from the peak.
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Danielle
Wed Jun 06 2007, 09:56PM
Danielle Registered Member #632 Joined: Mon Apr 09 2007, 01:09AM
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Ill see if I can either modify it or use another I found one that is synchronous but it is 10 RPM I need to change the gears. thanks for the help last question scenes it isn't synchronous if I use this in a asynchronous SG then how will it be advantages rather than a normal static SG?
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IamSmooth
Thu Jun 07 2007, 07:48PM
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If you are interested there is someone on Ebay who is selling true synchronous motors.

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He is only asking $48 so why would you want to take a motor apart and monkey around? Your time isn't worth the $48+s/h it will cost you to just buy a working one.
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Steve Ward
Fri Jun 08 2007, 05:27PM
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Wow, what a mark up! I used to buy those motors for 10 dollars from either american science and surplus, or herbach and rademan (do a search, i think H and R had them last i checked). They arent super strong motors, so either do a propeller gap, or a small disk as the ebay auction shows.

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Dr. Shark
Fri Jun 08 2007, 06:28PM
Dr. Shark Registered Member #75 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 09:30AM
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Steve Conner wrote ...

If you want it to be synchronous, you'll need to grind four flats on the rotor. This is best done by a machine shop.
Why? My understanding is that a SM has permanent magnets instead of relying on induction, and therefore there is zero slip

IamSmooth wrote ...

He is only asking $48 so why would you want to take a motor apart and monkey around? Your time isn't worth the $48+s/h it will cost you to just buy a working one.
Whoa, I think $50 is quite a lot of money for most hobbyists, and if you would not want to "monkey around" with a motor, why would you "monkey around" with a Tesla coil? It serves no useful purpose after all.
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