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Thomas
Sun Feb 26 2006, 06:31AM Print
Thomas Registered Member #120 Joined: Fri Feb 10 2006, 07:07AM
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I have some basic questions on SCR trigger. They're mainly due to paranoia and the fact that since the circuit is a bit lethal. Therefore, i would like to have someone take a look at the SCR triggering. Basically what I have made is a surge generator. It runs on DC and discharges from 0-350 VDC, the bank is 19.5mF. I'm using electrolytic capacitors too. It consists of two circuit, a high voltage circuit that charges the capacitors and then a low voltage circuit that controls the digi panel meter, fans, charging circuitry, bleed discharger, etc. Now the low voltage circuit triggers both the SCR to bleed the bank (a load of 500 Ohm, 200W metal resistor) and the bank discharge SCR. Both SCR's are connected so that the negative of my low voltage supply is connected to the negative of (cathode of SCR) the high voltage circuit. The positive of my low voltage circuit is then connect to two switches, one for each SCR gate (discharge SCR and bank bleed SCR). So now I would like your input on how safe this is? and would say if I wanted to use a higher voltage how should i make my circuit? use a GDT?
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Tesladownunder
Sun Feb 26 2006, 07:14AM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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It is not a good policy to rely for safety on any one method whether it is SCR's, switches or simply pulling the cord out. Some discharge should be built into the circuit that is not bypassed so the charge will leak. This can be integrated with a high intensity led and resistor appropriate for 350V to indicate voltage present.
Is that 19.5mF meaning milli or microfarads?

Peter
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Thomas
Sun Feb 26 2006, 03:33PM
Thomas Registered Member #120 Joined: Fri Feb 10 2006, 07:07AM
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oh it's 19.5 millifarads. I actually have a 300k ohm resister in parallel with the bank so it can slowly bleed it. I was just wondering if my SCRs are connected all right. How do you connect yours.
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Steve Conner
Sun Feb 26 2006, 03:42PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Can you draw a schematic and post it?
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Thomas
Sun Feb 26 2006, 05:54PM
Thomas Registered Member #120 Joined: Fri Feb 10 2006, 07:07AM
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Here's the bare basics version of my triggering circuit.
1140976450 120 FT2430 Picture 1
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Sulaiman
Sun Feb 26 2006, 07:15PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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If you exchange the positions of the SCR and the Load that would be good.
If you really want the SCR in the +ve supply to the Load
then I'd use a pulse transformer.
(usually NOT critical,
a steel laminate OR powdered iron OR ferrite core will work)
Could be as simple as
a pushbotton switch, a 9V battery and a 1:1 transformer.
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Thomas
Sun Feb 26 2006, 07:42PM
Thomas Registered Member #120 Joined: Fri Feb 10 2006, 07:07AM
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I don't see a difference in the location of the load. Does it really matter?
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Self Defenestrate
Sun Feb 26 2006, 07:51PM
Self Defenestrate Registered Member #87 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 01:36PM
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Well, you've got your trigger pulse going through your load, and your load could be inductive, resistave, whatever, and mess things up. SCR's are current activated, anything and everything can change your current, so it might be a good idea to switch your load and SCR.
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Thomas
Sun Feb 26 2006, 07:58PM
Thomas Registered Member #120 Joined: Fri Feb 10 2006, 07:07AM
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thank you for the explanation.
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Dr. Shark
Mon Feb 27 2006, 08:49AM
Dr. Shark Registered Member #75 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 09:30AM
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Depending on what kind of load you are discharging your capacitors through, it might be a good idea to use a much heftier triggering pulse. For example if this is a railgun or other high current load, you should try to hit the SCR gate with a pulse around 300A to turn it on as quickly as possible. You can do this by discharging a 300V electrolytic into the gate through an IGBT and a small (fraction of an ohm) current limiting resistor. I'll dig out a circuit if you are interested.
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