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Has the Pioneer Anomaly been solved ? ? ?

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HV Enthusiast
Mon Apr 09 2007, 11:30PM Print
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Just curious if anyone knew if they had explained the reason for the Pioneer anomaly? I tried searching for explanations for this on the web, but there is so much garbage and misinformation out there on this subject, i can't tell if its really been solved or if its still a mystery . . .

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Bjørn
Tue Apr 10 2007, 12:31AM
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According to this they are digging out all the old data to solve it once and for all: Link2

A common factor of those anomalies is that the more "insignificant" forces they add up the smaller the anomaly becomes so my guess is that they will be left with a number that is too small to be statistically significant but large enough for several websites to arise with very imaginative explanations.
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Dr. Slack
Tue Apr 10 2007, 07:06AM
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As I understand it (needless to say, when I look for where I think I saw it, I can't turn up any references), the anomoly only becomes significant once the spacecraft have done their slingshots off the big planets' gravity. Given that this manouvre mulitplies any slight trajectory mis-estimation by orders of magnitude, my vote is for existing physics and the accumulation of small errors.
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HV Enthusiast
Tue Apr 10 2007, 02:20PM
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Thanks.

Actually, in the article Bjorn listed, it states JPL has already accounted for 50-75% of the anomaly by simulated the effects of thermal emission on the antenna.
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Tue Apr 10 2007, 11:45PM
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The problem is very interesting and it makes me wonder if a thermal source could be used as a propulsor and if it is comparable to ion thrusters.
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Simon
Wed Apr 11 2007, 01:53AM
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog) wrote ...

The problem is very interesting and it makes me wonder if a thermal source could be used as a propulsor and if it is comparable to ion thrusters.
Yes, you could do it. No, it would not rival an ion thrustor simply because photons don't have the same momentum as ions can easily get. (Imagine deflecting an ion beam with a beam of infrared light - or even your own body heat. That would be a cool trick...)
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Ben
Wed Apr 11 2007, 07:47AM
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Depends on how you mean rival. A self contained photonic thruster would have marginal utility because of the low thrust to mass ratio(unless you start using anti-matter or something). Solar sails(powered by the stars, or giant lasers) on the other hand show some promise. Photonic thrusters would be/are very efficient, perhaps the one of the few feasible interstellar transports mechanisms(where mass efficiency becomes paramount).

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