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uzzors2k
Thu Feb 22 2007, 09:16PM Print
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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I built my first tesla coil a few days ago, its just a cute 8 cm tall SGTC. Finally having some streamers to experiment with, I tried the lightbulb plasma globe trick with great success.

1172178892 95 FT0 Plasma Bulb

However with a different light bulb I found in a microwave oven I get no plasma at all. The filament warms up a bit, and small streamers shoot off the outside of the bulb, but otherwise its completely dead. So I think there must be a hard vacuum in the bulb, otherwise I should see some streamers, right? So could this bulb be used for small amounts of x-ray production? This guy seemed to make it work with a vacuum tube with a foil cap. Link2

1172178892 95 FT0 Hard Vacuum Bulb
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Myke
Thu Feb 22 2007, 09:37PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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If it isn't making any stramers in the bulb then I'm 95% shure it is making X-rays.
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CT2
Thu Feb 22 2007, 10:09PM
CT2 Registered Member #180 Joined: Thu Feb 16 2006, 02:12AM
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Does anyone know why the filament would heat up like that? There are no streamers comming off of it to cause the heating, so there must be something else heating it... possibly some x-rays, but I have no idea.
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Myke
Fri Feb 23 2007, 06:10AM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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Ions or the voltage diferential might light up the filiment but I don't know if there is enough current to do so.
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Marko
Fri Feb 23 2007, 12:48PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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The fact that filament is glowing is very interesting..could it be from electron bombardment?

But from other side, it's a bit chiken and egg thing. Once filament is hot, the bulb will act as a diode, rectify the current and nullify the capacitive coupling effect through glass.

You would need some kind of another electrode to act as a plate for it.
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Myke
Fri Feb 23 2007, 04:51PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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If it is acting as a diode you may be exceding its max plate voltage rating and producing X-rays or the filiment might not be hot enough to emmit that many electrons so it is like a plasma globe. Ethier way you are producing X-rays.
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uzzors2k
Fri Feb 23 2007, 06:12PM
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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Cool, I'll take spesial care of this light bulb then for later experiments.

Does anyone know for sure what causes the filament to heat? Electron bombardment was the first thing I thought of too. I assume the currents from my Tesla coil are too low to heat the filament, after all the HV power supply for the coil is a mere flyback run form 12 volts and a simple 555 driver. tongue Also none of the other bulbs get filament heating.
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Myke
Fri Feb 23 2007, 08:17PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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So then the filiment is heating from electron bombardment. I doubt the X-rays are that strong because the tesla coil is not that big.
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vasil
Fri Feb 23 2007, 09:17PM
vasil Registered Member #229 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 07:33PM
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Put a film can with a new film inside near the bulb and then search for the X ray exposure.
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IamSmooth
Sat Feb 24 2007, 01:48AM
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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As a continuation of Vasil's point, you might be able to get an X-ray badge to detect the Xray level. If you are indeed suspicious of Xrays you should take care to protect yourself and stand at least 6 to 9 feet from the source and shield yourself. Prolonged Xray exposure is not benign.
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