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ragnar
Wed Feb 22 2006, 01:50PM Print
ragnar Registered Member #63 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:18AM
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'morning all,
every time I see a DIP 4046, it's always got a ceiling of 1.4 - 2.4 MHz...

I'm wondering about working with a higher centre frequency between 5MHz and 20MHz... an idea I've had includes:
put a schmitt triggered buffer/inverter on the aerial input, followed by a divide-by-four chip, then into the "signal" pin of the PLL...

similarly you put a 'multiply by four' chip on the mode1 comparator output, and feed the 4x signal into the gate-drivers... giving you four times the available 'range' of the centre frequency... but this seems clumsy, and even then I don't see any "multiply by four" quick and easy CMOS chips, hehehe

better ideas?

rumour has it there's a surface mount 18MHz-capable cd4046 out there somewhere... or is this an old wives tale?

cheers =)

[edit: oops, I'm stupid. I just saw a link on a page to an 74HC4046... umm duhhh :P... ideas still welcome :D]
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Avalanche
Wed Feb 22 2006, 03:39PM
Avalanche Registered Member #103 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:16PM
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I think the usual thing to do is put a divider on the input to the PLL chip, and then use the voltage output of the PLL to control a voltage controlled oscillator - containing a varicap diode.

You can use standard zener diodes (about 20v ones) as the varicap - once you bias them with a voltage, the capacitance changes, altering the frequency of the oscillator.
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Steve Conner
Wed Feb 22 2006, 03:42PM
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AFAIK there is no such thing as a quick and easy multiply by four chip. Why not just use the 74HC4046? It's identical to the old 4046 except it's faster and the supply voltage is restricted to 4.5 - 5.5V.
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Bored Chemist
Wed Feb 22 2006, 06:05PM
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Is this fast enough?
Link2

The systems they use for locking oscilators to atomic clocks are somewhat similar to PLLs- that takes the upper limit well into the microwave region.
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ragnar
Thu Feb 23 2006, 05:25AM
ragnar Registered Member #63 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:18AM
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Steve Conner wrote ...

AFAIK there is no such thing as a quick and easy multiply by four chip. Why not just use the 74HC4046? It's identical to the old 4046 except it's faster and the supply voltage is restricted to 4.5 - 5.5V.

Yah, I just saw that... the motorola ones go up to 18MHz, too =)

thanks guys, much appreciated.

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