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IamSmooth
Thu Dec 14 2006, 01:34PM Print
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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This may have been posted earlier so please forgive me: I was curious if anyone knows how this floats without falling? I though that it was not possible for a magnet to float in a static magnetic field.
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Marko
Thu Dec 14 2006, 01:55PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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It floats on a piece of 'high-temperature' superconductor cooled down with liquid nitrogen.

Since it has no resistance magnet induces ''eddy currents'' wich in turn induce a field repulsive to magnet, actually hindering it's movement in all directions.


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IamSmooth
Thu Dec 14 2006, 05:08PM
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So how is this different than replacing the superconductor with a natural magnet? In this case the magnet on top would fall out of the field.
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Marko
Thu Dec 14 2006, 05:15PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Mechanism is quite different there: magnet will induce 'opposing' field at any side it is moved, and will be pushed away into sort of equilibrium just in the middle of superconductor.

If it was replaced by another magnet the first one would just be repelled from it's pole and thrown away on side.
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Bored Chemist
Thu Dec 14 2006, 06:17PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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The simple answer is that the superconductor repels both poles of the magnet.
It's a seriously cool video clip though (and I don't mean it's at 77K)
Earnshaw's theorem says it's impossible for a magnet to float like that in a static field- there are two ways of looking at this "exception" one is to say that he simply forgot about diamagnetic materials; the other is to say that, inside the superconductor, there are a whole lot of electrons running round in circles generating the field that holds up the magnet. Since the electrons are moving, it isn't a static system.
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IamSmooth
Thu Dec 14 2006, 06:33PM
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Does anyone know where I would be able to purchase a block of superconductor as in the video so I could do this at home?
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Steve Conner
Thu Dec 14 2006, 11:12PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Google did: the site in this link Link2 lists Arbor Scientific and Edmund Scientific as suppliers. If you do do the experiment, please post some pix here! smile
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Electroholic
Thu Dec 14 2006, 11:53PM
Electroholic Registered Member #191 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 02:01AM
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do a search on Meissner effect.
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Self Defenestrate
Fri Dec 15 2006, 01:25AM
Self Defenestrate Registered Member #87 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 01:36PM
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And search for magnetic flux pinning. Awesome stuff!
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Fri Dec 15 2006, 02:28AM
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I have a piece, but still haven't convinced my dad to bring home some LN2 to get it to do anything fun (he spends at least an hour a day working in a room with a LN2 tap in it). But I haven't really tried either....

In any case, I will make sure you guys know when I finally get around to making it do anything more than sit in a foam box wink

I was lobbying to get a kit with the flux pinning stuff, but we decided to try the normal kind and a new cloud chamber instead. Gotta love rich grandparents that know about Edmunds Scientific tongue

BTW, the pic on the edmunds site is wrong, it actually looks like
1166150386 56 FT18928 Img 19981
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