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Doodlebug
Tue Feb 13 2018, 10:42AM Print
Doodlebug Registered Member #62084 Joined: Wed Jan 10 2018, 09:04AM
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Hello. Have just joined. Making my first coil (15kv, 30 m/a, NST), and slowly
climbing the learning curve.

Because of the high currents in the spark gap/cap/primary
I am using car start jump lead cable.

What I am not sure about is, will this type of cable be OK for the
RF ground run to the ground rod or not?

Also would the big alligator clips used on these car start cables be man enough
to take the RF ?

Many thanks.
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Sulaiman
Tue Feb 13 2018, 12:17PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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The current in the ground wire is approximately the same as the current from the topload,
so resistance is not normally a significant problem, i.e. normal domestic insulated cable is ok.
but length of wire from TC to earth can be a problem due to inductance causing fairly high voltages end-to-end.
It is not a bad idea to have more than one route to earth for safety considerations.
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Doodlebug
Tue Feb 13 2018, 09:29PM
Doodlebug Registered Member #62084 Joined: Wed Jan 10 2018, 09:04AM
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Thanks for that.
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KUN
Tue Feb 13 2018, 10:22PM
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Hello i just saw this topic, an i am wandering is it ok to have my sgtc ground wire connected to wall sockets ground. It is a relatively small tc about 3 cm wide and 25 high.
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Sulaiman
Wed Feb 14 2018, 01:29AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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for a small sgtc
I would connect all 'earth' points in the primary circuit to mains earth,
I like a local ground for the secondary circuit, strike rail and bottom of secondary,
either an earth rod or a conductive surface such aluminium cooking foil,
then join primary mains earth to secondary ground.

H/D = 25/3 = 8.333
it will of course work, but generally H/D half of that is better.

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KUN
Wed Feb 14 2018, 07:20PM
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hmm i think i am gatting pretty good results for the power i am putting in. my zvs runs on 120 wats of power and i get nice looking arcs of almost 13-15 cm. I think i cant do any better than that with 120 wats.

Also i didnt quite understand the thing with primary side. Why should primary circuit be grounded?
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Sulaiman
Thu Feb 15 2018, 09:31AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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I meant that any part of the primary circuitry that is considered to be at ground potential should be connected to mains earth for (relative) safety.
e.g. the centre-tap and case of an NST, centre electrode of safety spark gap etc.

on the secondary side: base of secondary, strike rail and 'chicken stick' go directly to physical earth.

I would connect mains earth to physical earth to reduce unexpected current pathways,
also, having everything at mains = physical earth makes oscilloscope ground considerations simpler.
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KUN
Thu Feb 15 2018, 07:19PM
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aa ok, and what do you mean by phisical earth? Is it dangerous to have your secundary grounded to mains earth?
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Sulaiman
Thu Feb 15 2018, 10:46PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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no, not especially dangerous (obviously a mains powered TC IS dangerous), it is how many people operate their TCs.
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