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Andy
Fri Jan 02 2015, 07:48PM Print
Andy Registered Member #4266 Joined: Fri Dec 16 2011, 03:15AM
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Hi im trying to find out the capacitance size for a triple but there isn,t a resistor to use to workout the time constant and the fake current. Below is the type of system, any help thanks

Edit the 500ohm resistor is replaced with a 95.5mH inductor


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1420228130 4266 FT0 Img 20150103 084534
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dexter
Fri Jan 02 2015, 08:46PM
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it all depends on how much current you need after the triplor....
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Andy
Fri Jan 02 2015, 08:52PM
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Hi , I would like 1.5 amp at 1kv, planning on getting close to the max kwh of my house wiring say 8 amp at 240 volt input.
Cheers

I plan to have 250joules block(cap and jgbt) that gets discharged throught a load in 0.2RC and recharged at 1_5RC, would like each block to fire at one pulse per second, with multiable blocks.
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dexter
Sat Jan 03 2015, 03:48PM
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for a simple full wave rectifier the smoothing cap can be calculated with this formula C = I x t / V where I is the load current V is the voltage ripple we chose and t is the AC half cycle or charge time

so if we need a rectified mains (230Vrms 50Hx) of 320Vdc at 1 A with a maximum voltage ripple of 10% the cap would be
C=1*0.01/(0.1*230*1.41)=312uF

in case of a voltage multiplier the situation is worse as the charging time for the final stage is a multiple of the multiplier stages but i'm not sure how to calculate....

for Cockcroft walton Voltage Multiplieer (the circuit from your schematic) i found a calculator here Link2

but instead of a CW multiplier why not use a simple voltage tripler which use half the parts

1420299650 42796 FT168077 V3x

i've seen this circuit used in many times over the CW and for obvious resons: half the parts and less capacitance due to shorter charge times

for both you still need parts to have a voltage rating of twice the Vin though...
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Dr. Slack
Sat Jan 03 2015, 06:03PM
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Instead of a tripler, a half-wave rectifier opposite a doubler of the opposite polarity will provide the same output voltage with smaller components for the same output current, as long as you don't mind both terminals hot.
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Andy
Sun Jan 04 2015, 02:32AM
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Cheers dexter, I keep on change the volts,watts and capances smile .
Can you connect to extension cords to two different wall sockets, and parrellel them without problems.

Dr slack, not sure if the driver circuit will function as expected, but still working on that cheers.
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Signification
Wed Feb 04 2015, 05:43AM
Signification Registered Member #54278 Joined: Sat Jan 17 2015, 04:42AM
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Using that formula posted by dexter [derived from i(t)=C dV/dt] i.e. C=it/V, we can come up with a useful, somewhat generalized, approximation formula for 'required capacitance for allowed ripple', by setting i=1 amp and V=1 volt. Then in the equation, the i/V component becomes 'one amp per volt' and when a specific 't' is plugged in (yielding a C-value), the equation specifies what capacitance (C) filters the output such that there is one volt of ripple for each amp of load current.

Assuming a line frequency of 60 Hz (T=16.67ms; T=period) and full-wave rectification, we can state that: C = (T/2) amps per volt. So, if we plug in t=(16.67/2)ms = 8.33ms, we get C=0.008333F or C=8333uF. This indicates that for a full-wave rectified 60Hz AC input, we will get one volt of ripple for every amp drawn from this filtered power supply when the filter capacitance is 8333uF. If we double the filter capacitance to 16,667uF we would get only a 1/2 volt drop at one amp, or 1 volt drop at two amps, etc.

The period (T) was divided by two since, for a full-wave output, this is the time between charging peaks of the full-wave rectified AC signal. You would adjust accordingly for 50Hz. Also the capacitance requirement is doubled if the input is only half-wave rectified.
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