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Raka
Wed Oct 08 2014, 09:30PM Print
Raka Registered Member #1838 Joined: Tue Dec 02 2008, 06:01PM
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I plan to build a booster charger / jump starter by paralleling 4 - 6 rewound mot's and use a rectifier made of alternator diodes on each. I cant seem to find such a project on the net to learn from. Any ideas, what to consider? What output voltage to aim for?
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Nik
Wed Oct 08 2014, 10:11PM
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
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A booster should be between 12 and 14 volts, any more than that and you can start to damage the car. I'm not sure how the ripple of rectified AC would affect the car however, you might need to build a heavy duty filter to give you DC with no ripple.
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Shrad
Thu Oct 09 2014, 08:03AM
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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I'd use server SMPS for such a project, which deliver 12V 50A, can be paralleled, and have monitoring of current, voltage and temperature

they can be found as cheap as under 10 bucks on ebay
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Raka
Thu Oct 09 2014, 05:37PM
Raka Registered Member #1838 Joined: Tue Dec 02 2008, 06:01PM
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@Nik The voltage will sag significantly, therefore I would like to have the voltage as high as possible to start with, but it might be that if the voltage is much higher than the battery volts, that a significant portion of the current will go into charging the battery. I don’t think the ripple will matter much, believe the battery will filter it sufficiently, but if that proofs to be a problem, I will use 3phase input.
@Shrad E-Bay isn’t an option for me, here in South-Africa the exchange rate would make the price more than ten times more expensive. I have five identical mot's that I got for free, plus I like the robustness of a transformer. The other option I have is to use 500Watt ups transformers, of which I also have 4 identical, but them I won’t be able to rewind them. They can output 8V-0-8V rms
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johnf
Thu Oct 09 2014, 06:49PM
johnf Registered Member #230 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 08:01PM
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For High current battery charging your charger should have separate sense wires to set the voltage correctly at the battery terminals.
For older cars with antimony lead batteries the correct charge voltage @ 20 degrees celsius is 14.2 volts or 14.6 volts for later model cars with calcium lead batteries both require -20mV /degree C adjustment of charge voltage
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Sulaiman
Thu Oct 09 2014, 06:57PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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a few thoughts;

1) If you charge the battery at too high current you may damage the plates
2) 8-0-8 is perfect ... 16 Vac, plus bridge rectifier, plus inductor (no capacitor)
3) Do not charge battery to more than 2.4 V per cell = 14.4 V for a 12 V battery
This is to prevent electrolysis releasing Hydrogen and Oxygen
4) You need some sort of current limiting scheme to protect your charger and battery
5) There are countless numbers of people that heve suffered serious injuries or death from over-charging or un-vented or un-ventilated battery charging ... do some research.
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Raka
Thu Oct 09 2014, 09:19PM
Raka Registered Member #1838 Joined: Tue Dec 02 2008, 06:01PM
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I should have mentioned that I only plan to use this to jumpstart and not for charging. For charging I use a modified atx power supply.
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Sulaiman
Fri Oct 10 2014, 12:54PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Given the weight, complexity and the need for a power cord
I would consider keeping a spare fully charged battery.
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Oct 10 2014, 02:00PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
Location: Czech Rep.
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I would wind a 12-0-12VAC winding on two deshunted MOTs, parallel them and use two welder-rectifier diodes as a full wave rectifier. Maybe even one MOT would be enough to start a car (the voltage might drop below 10V but that is still fine).
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Alex M
Sat Oct 11 2014, 07:32AM
Alex M Registered Member #3943 Joined: Sun Jun 12 2011, 05:24PM
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What about using this sort of thing instead Link2 from 11:42 he uses it to start the car with a flat battery.

Much smaller and it can be kept in the car for emergency's.
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