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TO-247 Insulating pads

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Thomas W
Sun Aug 17 2014, 12:54PM Print
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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Hey everyone,

Im currently working on a driver for some transformers, i need a decent quantity of TO-247 Insulating pads, with screws.

is there anywhere to get them at a decent price? some places like farnell seem to be charging aweful prices ( £1 each????)

I can find TO-220 ones much cheaper and very common, but the TO-247s for some reason are not.....
thanks,
TCW
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Sulaiman
Sun Aug 17 2014, 01:20PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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eBay is much cheaper, e.g. Link2

You can buy a silicone sheet and cut your own, but good sheet is also expensive,

or you can use Mylar, polyimide or similar self-adhesive tape which works well and is cheaper.
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Thomas W
Sun Aug 17 2014, 01:30PM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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Sulaiman wrote ...


eBay is much cheaper, e.g. Link2

You can buy a silicone sheet and cut your own, but good sheet is also expensive,

or you can use Mylar, polyamide or similar self-adhesive tape which works well and is cheaper.


Thanks Sulaiman, hadn't seen those.

By the way, does anyone know the max speed in kHz of CM300DY-24NF IGBT bricks?
im working on a driver for a 3kW Transformer that requires mains @ 60kHz.

also working on a driver for 6 of them (18kW) requiring the same frequency of 60kHz.

Thanks,
Thomas
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Steve Ward
Fri Sept 05 2014, 08:34PM
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Be sure to check the thermal resistance/conductance of the material. Some silicone-based insulators can severely cripple thermal performance.

I found 1 mil kapton to be the best answer for my isolation needs. For a TO-247 it adds about 0.5*C/W thermal resistance. Mica is usually thicker so it adds more resistance despite having better conductance. I haven't found a silicone type pad that even comes close to the performance of the 1mil kapton. The best stuff is the fancy alumina ceramic insulators, but even those can perform poorly if they are extra thick.

The CM300DY-24NF should be fine at 60khz provided you are operating at much less than 300A. No one can tell you the max switching speed of a transistor because its a function of other things (like current and temperature). Generally, the higher the operating frequency, the lower the allowed current.
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Thomas W
Fri Sept 05 2014, 08:57PM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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Steve Ward wrote ...

Be sure to check the thermal resistance/conductance of the material. Some silicone-based insulators can severely cripple thermal performance.

I found 1 mil kapton to be the best answer for my isolation needs. For a TO-247 it adds about 0.5*C/W thermal resistance. Mica is usually thicker so it adds more resistance despite having better conductance. I haven't found a silicone type pad that even comes close to the performance of the 1mil kapton. The best stuff is the fancy alumina ceramic insulators, but even those can perform poorly if they are extra thick.

The CM300DY-24NF should be fine at 60khz provided you are operating at much less than 300A. No one can tell you the max switching speed of a transistor because its a function of other things (like current and temperature). Generally, the higher the operating frequency, the lower the allowed current.

Kapton tape brought off ebay will work then? Im using a reel of the stuff i brought of Brocotts.

Thanks for the tip by the way ^^
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hen918
Fri Sept 05 2014, 09:41PM
hen918 Registered Member #11591 Joined: Wed Mar 20 2013, 08:20PM
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Kapton tape is a brilliant insulator however it was designed for withstanding high temperatures, not conducting heat well, so I didn't expect it to conduct heat well.
I'll try it!
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Steve Ward
Fri Oct 10 2014, 11:02PM
Steve Ward Registered Member #146 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 04:21AM
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Should work, but it might be a good idea to remove the adhesive to lower thermal resistance more. A bit of thermal grease can also help by displacing air at the surfaces.
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Patrick
Fri Oct 17 2014, 05:57AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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First, I like the 0.001 inch thick kapton idea, can i get an estimate on the C per Watt rise on this idea?

Second, are there "traditional" epoxies to hold heat sinks on, and displace air? or should i stick with the silver epoxy types for this purpose?
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