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Ken Williams
Wed Dec 25 2013, 04:15AM Print
Ken Williams Registered Member #8247 Joined: Thu Nov 22 2012, 03:14AM
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Hi, I'm a newbie. I have no real electronics background but I scored myself a Fluke 177. I like it.

Fluke

I'm trying to cross check and validate the voltage of a waveform I see on my oscilloscope here:

Newwave1

How do I measure this with my Fluke? Do I set my Fluke to AC voltage or DC voltage and why? What value should I get do you think?
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Sigurthr
Wed Dec 25 2013, 05:06AM
Sigurthr Registered Member #4463 Joined: Wed Apr 18 2012, 08:08AM
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Unless it is a true RMS meter you'll need to build a peak detector circuit (and set the meter to DC) to measure the Vpk of a nonsinusoidal waveform. Note that this really only works for waveforms that are symmetrical in amplitude above and below zero, have no zero crossing, or have no DC offset. If it has a DC offset you could use a dc-blocking cap before the peak detector to still measure the Vpk. If it is nonsymmetrical you could measure Vpk of one side of zero, then reverse the peak detector's polarity (be sure to discharge the cap) to measure the other side of zero. Be sure to account for the Vf of the diode used in all cases.

Why would you use a meter to verify a scope, though? Normally it is the other way around!
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Wed Dec 25 2013, 06:52AM
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So the fluke is technically only rated to handle 1kv where as your waveform appears to be a bit over that, so so you either will run the risk of melting the voltmeter or find a way to reduce the voltage output, but if you set the voltmeter to AC it should read the same number as the scope set to measure 'RMS' since the 177 is a true RMS voltmeter (note however that because the AC function is AC coupled, you need to AC couple the scope to get an accurate reading). I am not sure what it will read in DC mode, but I believe with the 177 should read the same value as the scope set to 'average' (of course the scope would need to be DC coupled for this measurement).

In any case, if at all possible you are better off using a DC voltage to perform the calibration...
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Sulaiman
Wed Dec 25 2013, 08:08AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Ken,
nice meter, expensive internal fuses!
At work we all use Fluke meters, but rarely on current ranges due to the cost of fuses!
I'm not saying don't use the current ranges, they are very useful, just be careful or have a supply of fuses.

As to your question, with your meter you can measure ac rms volts directly
but the result has no real meaning other than
a check to see if it is the same as a similar circuit or as previously measured
e.g. if you measure the rms voltage when working properly
a different measurement at a later date would indicate an incorrect waveform.

The 'best' way to measure this kind of waveform is what you have already done,
an oscilloscope.
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Ken Williams
Wed Dec 25 2013, 07:23PM
Ken Williams Registered Member #8247 Joined: Thu Nov 22 2012, 03:14AM
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Thanks for the responses. I'm actually trying to get the RMS voltage value of the ~1.3KVpeak shown on the scope. So I guess I have two more questions.

1) If the Fluke is limited to 1000V, is that 1000V limit a Vpeak limit or Vrms? If it is a true RMS multimeter then that should be 1000V RMS Max correct? So it should have no problem measuring 1.3KVpeak

2) To ask the same question again - do I set my Fluke to AC voltage or DC voltage to measure the RMS value of the 1.3KVpeak wave? If the sawtooth wave shown on the scope does not (essentially) drop below zero then I should set the Fluke to DC volts correct?

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Antonio
Thu Dec 26 2013, 03:16PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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1) No voltage above 1000 V, instantaneous value, can be applied between any terminals. 1.3 kV peak can damage the meter.
2) RMS values are measured in the AC ranges. DC is the average value.
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