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Question about Capacitor Theory

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GammaRay
Sun Dec 22 2013, 09:23AM Print
GammaRay Registered Member #5323 Joined: Fri Jun 15 2012, 02:14PM
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Capacitors A and B are identical in every way with the following exception:

Capacitor A is manufactured in standard fashion by rolling the plates & dielectric into a tight roll (thus compressing the charged up capacitor's electrostatic field into a very compact space). However, Capacitor B plates and dielectric are laid out flat, extending into space, the plates & dialectic are not rolled up (the electrostatic field of the charged up capacitor is not compressed into a compact space, but rather disbursed over the length of the flat plates).

Question: Will Capacitor B exhibit less internal resistance as compared to the tightly rolled Capacitor A?
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Sulaiman
Sun Dec 22 2013, 12:47PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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The main advantages to rolling capacitors are;
ease of manufacture
fairly easy to encapsulate
physically rugged component
physically small component
and
the terminals can be connected all along the long edge of the plates which gives
low esr and low esl.
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Proud Mary
Sun Dec 22 2013, 03:47PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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The (much unwanted) self-resonant frequency of rolled capacitors is, generally, lower than flat plate types such as silver mica. The self-inductance of capacitors becomes an issue as frequencies rise, with flat plate types generally offering lower self-inductance than rolled types.

Examples: a rolled PTFE or polycarbonate capacitor would be a good choice as a coupling capacitor at audio frequency. A flat plate silver mica capacitor would be a good choice for RF coupling at frequencies up to about 500 MHz.
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Antonio
Mon Dec 23 2013, 11:25AM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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There is not such a thing as compressed electric field. Resistance depends on the path between the electrodes and on dielectric losses. Inductance too. A rolled capacitor with the terminals at one end of the roll is a bad idea, but if the metal foil rolls are offset so the terminals can make contact with a whole side of the roll (this is the usual construction) an excellent capacitor results. A flat-plates capacitor with offset metal plates is almost equivalent, but the mean path between the electrodes is certainly longer, resulting in more resistance and more inductance.
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Proud Mary
Mon Dec 23 2013, 01:37PM
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Electroholic
Tue Dec 24 2013, 04:40AM
Electroholic Registered Member #191 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 02:01AM
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Let's not forget, if you roll up a flat plate cap, the capacitance increased because now the plates are stacked alternately. In other words a rolled cap can be made with physically smaller plate compare to a flat plate cap while maintaining the same capacitance. Smaller plate = shorter path.
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GammaRay
Tue Dec 24 2013, 10:40PM
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Thank you all for educating me. The intelligent and informative answers I find here is the reason I stay a member :)
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