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Zamboni
Mon Oct 21 2013, 09:29PM Print
Zamboni Registered Member #2836 Joined: Fri Apr 30 2010, 01:24PM
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I am trying to measure a voltage of about 2500 at 7 Nanoamps.

I understand that a “normal” voltmeter is useless at 7 Nanoamps.
I also believe that a resistive voltage divider would be useless at this low amperage.

I have obtained a Pasco Electrometer. It works great, but maxes out at 100 Volts.

I wanted to use a Capacitive Voltage Divider to bring the voltage down to less than 100 volts, so that I can use my Electrometer to measure the voltage.

The voltage divider setup I am using is on the attached .jpg

For the value of C!, I am using a 10PF (6KV max voltage) ceramic capacitor.
For C2 I am using a 1000pf (6KV max voltage) ceramic capacitor.

If I apply 1000 volts to Vin, I should get about 10 volts at Vout.

I have used the divider with 330PF and .033uf polypropylene capacitors, it worked quite well. My problem is that the poly capacitors max out at 2K. I need to go a little higher, probably around 2500 volts.

I ordered some 10f and 1000pf Ceramic capacitors that max out at 6K. I wired them up as shown in the .jpg. For some reason it does not work.

Does anybody know if Ceramic capacitors can be used for this purpose?

1382390988 2836 FT0 Capdiv
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Ash Small
Mon Oct 21 2013, 11:47PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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Just guessing here, but what's the leakage current in the datasheet?
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Zamboni
Tue Oct 22 2013, 12:25AM
Zamboni Registered Member #2836 Joined: Fri Apr 30 2010, 01:24PM
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The part number DECB33J102KC4B data sheet does not seem to specify the leakage current. I will e-mail the company and see if they will tell me.
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Tue Oct 22 2013, 04:29AM
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Is your source a DC source or an AC source?

If it is DC then the capacitance of your divider is not doing anything, and it is just a resistive voltage divider made up of the leakage of the caps/wiring/electrometer. If it is AC then an electrometer won't be able to measure the voltage because the net charge delivered to the meter will be 0 without an external rectifier.
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Zamboni
Wed Oct 23 2013, 12:05AM
Zamboni Registered Member #2836 Joined: Fri Apr 30 2010, 01:24PM
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It looks like the reason was the leakage. the insulation resistance of the ceramic caps was less than 1/2 of the poly caps.

I am sorry that I don't have enough electrical knowledge to explain why the voltage divider works, I can only tell you that it does. If you try it with a battery and use a regular voltmeter you will see that it works well...I just can't explain why.
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Antonio
Fri Oct 25 2013, 11:15PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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A high-voltage capacitor with low capacitance and low leakage is easy to make. Make a Leyden jar, or just two pieces of metal foil pasted at opposite sides of a plastic sheet. A capacitive divider works, but just for signals that are varying. If you discharge both capacitors and suddenly apply the voltage to be measured (possibly with a large capacitor already charged by it in parallel), a measurement (not very precise) is possible.
You can use an electroscope too.
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Newton Brawn
Tue Oct 29 2013, 03:51AM
Newton Brawn Registered Member #3343 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2010, 04:06PM
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How about making a electroscope 0-2500V range ?
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