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kimbomba
Mon Oct 14 2013, 07:36PM Print
kimbomba Registered Member #3854 Joined: Fri Apr 29 2011, 03:45AM
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Building a coilgun usually means working with SCRs as power switches. In that application, one needs to consider not the average on-state current rating I_T, bur the peak non-repetitive surge current I_TSM. This last parameter, states "1/2 cycle, sine wave 60 Hz, T_J = 100 C". Does that means that the rated surge current can pass through the device for half a 60 Hz cycle, that is for 1/120 of a second? Thanks in advance
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Patrick
Mon Oct 14 2013, 09:44PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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im trying to remember the SCR stuff (these vary things your looking at) form the late 90's I learned. back before we had all these nice IGBTs and Later generation Mosfets...

the type of SCR your describing is called a phase control SCR, meaning like a dimmer switch, they chop a sine or similar repeating wave...

so when the junction is at 100C, they rate yours for a pulse 1/120 of a second, but they typically mean through a resistive load. (for you this is important, a coils Resistance will be low and shed V across the SCR junction, which will decrease there claimed number in your application.) but you wont be operating for 20 years at 90C, so that favors your case a bit.

can you post a specific datasheet?
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Steve Conner
Tue Oct 15 2013, 09:40AM
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There is a slight correction factor because Itsm is for a sinusoidal half-cycle, but the way you worded things implies that you want to use a rectangular pulse. So you should really multiply Itsm by pi/4 or whatever.

In practice for your coilgun, the pulse won't be rectangular and the starting junction temperature will be less than 100c, so the uncorrected Itsm value should be conservative.
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Patrick
Tue Oct 15 2013, 04:02PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Steve Conner wrote ...

There is a slight correction factor because Itsm is for a sinusoidal half-cycle, but the way you worded things implies that you want to use a rectangular pulse. So you should really multiply Itsm by pi/4 or whatever.

In practice for your coilgun, the pulse won't be rectangular and the starting junction temperature will be less than 100c, so the uncorrected Itsm value should be conservative.
yep, I was going to make your first point. but had class... the SCRs are robust but phase correction SCRs are less ideal in this app. Since I presume he'll be using caps discharged through his coils the waveform could drastically change between projectile present, and projectile absent from the coil, right?

or is this one of those single flat coil disc shooters?

the real problem is that SCRs don't have an isolated gate, they take current to turn on, and they can kick back out of the gate and kill non-isolated gate drive electronics, problems not seen with IGBTs/Mosfets gates.

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kimbomba
Wed Oct 16 2013, 04:00AM
kimbomba Registered Member #3854 Joined: Fri Apr 29 2011, 03:45AM
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This will be for a single-stage coilgun. Porblem is, i don't have easy access to igbt/mosfets. Actually in order to save money i plan to parallel several SCRs. I have a bunch of 2N6508's. I plan to use a cap bank of photoflash electrolitycs, 2500 uF @ 500 volts.
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Patrick
Wed Oct 16 2013, 04:27AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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paralleling SCRs isn't impossible, but is difficult since there current controlled.

EDIT: I have 20 bolt-stud mount SCRs somewhere for 50 amps at 600Vac... trying to find them....



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