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HDF49
Sun Jul 07 2013, 11:53AM Print
HDF49 Registered Member #977 Joined: Thu Aug 30 2007, 06:57PM
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I built a tl494 based flyback driver but have had nothing but trouble with it, so I'm going to build this circuit as it looks a lot simpler, and has less ICs to fry! Link2 I'm just wondering why does this halfbridge have no diodes from source to drain, whereas this one, Link2 does? Also why does that one have gate resistors unlike the other? And would steve's half bridge section run ok with 1uf caps? I've done some searching but I haven't found any answers!
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jul 07 2013, 02:50PM
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MOSFETs have internal diodes so external ones make no sense (except Schottky diodes, or if you completely block the internal diode, which requires 2 diodes per transistor).

You should always use gate resistors, or at least scope the gate signals to make sure they look ok (mostly with no gate resistors, they don't.)

Use caps which have at least 10 times lower reactance than the assumed primary impedance.
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HDF49
Sun Jul 07 2013, 06:40PM
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Ok that clears it up, thanks. Are gate resistors just there to act as a way to provide more constant current then?
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Dr. Dark Current
Sun Jul 07 2013, 07:42PM
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They damp the oscillations or ringing which may occur between the GDT's leakage inductance and gate capacitance.
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Patrick
Sun Jul 07 2013, 10:41PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Dr. Dark Current wrote ...

Use caps which have at least 10 times lower reactance than the assumed primary impedance.
How is he (me too), to figure this value out? or is 0.68 to 1uF close and common enough?


if those caps are important, id like to add them, ive seen them on others' builds.
my circuit doesn't give me any grief, and real good results.
my thread : Link2

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Sigurthr
Sun Jul 07 2013, 11:47PM
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Xc = 1 / (2pi F C)
where; F = frequency, C = capacitance in farads, Xc = capacitive reactance.

Xl = 2pi F L

So determine the primary's inductance, work out your Xl, then determine what range of Xc is applicable and then work out the acceptable ranges of C.
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Jul 08 2013, 07:53AM
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Yes, be sure do input the primary inductance with secondary shorted.
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HDF49
Mon Jul 08 2013, 07:55AM
HDF49 Registered Member #977 Joined: Thu Aug 30 2007, 06:57PM
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Patrick wrote ...

Dr. Dark Current wrote ...

Use caps which have at least 10 times lower reactance than the assumed primary impedance.
How is he (me too), to figure this value out? or is 0.68 to 1uF close and common enough?


if those caps are important, id like to add them, ive seen them on others' builds.
my circuit doesn't give me any grief, and real good results.
my thread : Link2



Primary impedance will just be its inductance I imagine, as its resistance will be negligible, I measured that with a cheap LC meter. And the capactitor's reactance I calculated using 1/2pifc, with f=40khz for the largest value. That's a really nice looking build
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Mads Barnkob
Mon Jul 08 2013, 03:33PM
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Dr. Dark Current wrote ...

MOSFETs have internal diodes so external ones make no sense (except Schottky diodes, or if you completely block the internal diode, which requires 2 diodes per transistor).

You should always use gate resistors, or at least scope the gate signals to make sure they look ok (mostly with no gate resistors, they don't.)

Use caps which have at least 10 times lower reactance than the assumed primary impedance.

Just be sure to check the specifications of the internal diode before saying a external is not needed! The internal diode is only a byproduct from when you manufactor MOSFETs
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Sigurthr
Tue Jul 09 2013, 02:11AM
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I found that adding an external diode to MOSFET half bridges lowers the junction temp of the chip by about 30%. It is totally worth it imo. I didn't notice much improvement when adding the second diode per fet to totally block off the body diode, but I don't think it would hurt as long as you can live with the additional Vf drop.
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