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Why do high current Arcs recorded on video always look white with a colored outline

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MR-ZAPPY
Mon Jun 17 2013, 06:22PM Print
MR-ZAPPY Registered Member #16018 Joined: Fri May 03 2013, 07:19PM
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I have recorded arcs from MOTs and the arcs look white but in real life they are sort of a translucent orange-green.

i assume the camera picks up the video differently but i sometimes get what the arc really looks like while other people don't


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GrantX
Tue Jun 18 2013, 03:52AM
GrantX Registered Member #4074 Joined: Mon Aug 29 2011, 06:58AM
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I think the arcs are simply too bright for the camera, causing it to whiteout.

I've had some luck filming strong arcs through an electronic welding mask. I could get decent footage of a 5A arc using lens shade 9 (typically used for low-current TIG and stick welding). If the MOT arc is only <1A you might be able to use shade 3-5 filters for a little extra visibility.

I wonder if the IR/UV from a MOT arc is enough to permanently damage a camera? I've exposed my phone camera to dozens of bright arcs with no noticed effect, but could it potentially cause dead pixels or other damage in cheap cameras?
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zrg
Tue Jun 18 2013, 08:33AM
zrg Registered Member #4762 Joined: Sun May 06 2012, 05:59PM
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That's just camera issue. I tried to take pics of MOT arcs with 1/4000 exposure, f36 and ISO100:
1371544393 4762 FT155016  Mg 9353


(I'm still wondering, even years after, WTF is that ring...)
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Proud Mary
Tue Jun 18 2013, 08:35AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Why not use a cheap variable neutral density filter? These commonly cover ND2 - ND400, which is between 1 and 18 stops. Link2

If it is still too bright at ND400, couple a fixed ND400, or ND1000, in series with the variable filter.

Once you have a good image of the arc, you can merge it with a picture of the gap taken under normal exposure conditions, to create a naturalistic effect.



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HV Enthusiast
Tue Jun 18 2013, 12:52PM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
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That's because the dynamic range of the human eye is many times more than that of a camera.

For this reason, I always do the following for arc photos when using it for publications or professionally required applications such as product photos, brochures, etc...

1. Take an exposure of your background and coil. Use whatever exposure you want to get the brightness the way you want it.

2. Take your arc photos and expose for the arcs.

3. In photoshop, start with your background image as your base layer. Then add arc layers to the background. Use the LIGHTEN blend method. This will very nicely put the arcs into your background image. You can put 10s of arc images into a signal background and come out with a very high quality image. Much higher quality than if you simply left your camera shutter open for a minute or two.

And yes, you need to have the camera on a tripod for this.
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Dr. Dark Current
Tue Jun 18 2013, 02:05PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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zrg: I think it might be smoke ring from the electrode cheesey
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MR-ZAPPY
Tue Jun 18 2013, 02:13PM
MR-ZAPPY Registered Member #16018 Joined: Fri May 03 2013, 07:19PM
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Most of the time I use a ipad as the camera so I don't have as many features but sometimes I use I flip HD camera
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