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Andre
Sat May 04 2013, 12:47AM Print
Andre Registered Member #6921 Joined: Wed Sept 26 2012, 07:47PM
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I have a voltage multiplier connected to an X-ray tube, but when I I set the filament too high, the voltage on the multiplier drops, but it goes up when lower the filament, but sometimes it would not output any voltage, is it the diodes or the caps that are failing?
and how can I test them since it only fail at HV around 50KV 70KV?
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HV Enthusiast
Sat May 04 2013, 12:58AM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
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If the filament current is higher, you are drawing more of a load on the cathode, so yes, when the voltage multiplier is loaded more, the voltage should decrease.

However, you should be running your x-ray tube at the manufacturer recommend filament current. There shouldn't be a need to vary the filament current.
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Andre
Sat May 04 2013, 05:28AM
Andre Registered Member #6921 Joined: Wed Sept 26 2012, 07:47PM
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yes I understand, you seem to have experience in multipliers how do you test the caps and diodes?
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Fraggle
Sat May 04 2013, 10:35AM
Fraggle Registered Member #1526 Joined: Mon Jun 09 2008, 12:56AM
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I worry that you don`t see the problem yet power an X-ray tube...
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GrantX
Sun May 05 2013, 10:13AM
GrantX Registered Member #4074 Joined: Mon Aug 29 2011, 06:58AM
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It doesn't seem like your multiplier is broken - they are load dependant, if the output resistance drops (hotter filament) then the output voltage will also drop. At short-circuit a multiplier's output voltage is zero and its current is limited by the size of its capacitors.

Be careful not to burn out the filament by taking it outside of the datasheet specs. Also beware of the obvious X-Ray hazard, but that should go without saying (if the tube is conducting enough to cause the multiplier's voltage to drop, then it's most likely emitting X-rays and cooking you).

To test a HV diode, place it in series with a resistor and LED, then use a LV power supply to visually see if its conducting in the correct direction. A HV capacitor should read open circuit on a DMM (>20M Ohm)
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Andre
Sun May 05 2013, 06:43PM
Andre Registered Member #6921 Joined: Wed Sept 26 2012, 07:47PM
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thanks for the info guys, but this is a HV multiplier it does not fail at 1KV it fails at around 40KV when you apply a bit of current,lets put the x-ray out of the picture for a minute.

the multiplier is already damage because of my previews test with the xray and I'm trying to fix it.
I have 15KV caps I think thats where the problem is, does anyone know how can I test them because it does not show any problems when I check with a fluke meter..
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Newton Brawn
Fri May 10 2013, 09:42PM
Newton Brawn Registered Member #3343 Joined: Thu Oct 21 2010, 04:06PM
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Provide a complete schematic, bill of all material with data, pics from your apparatus and them you may receive precise advice...to help you solve the trouble.
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GrantX
Sun May 12 2013, 05:39AM
GrantX Registered Member #4074 Joined: Mon Aug 29 2011, 06:58AM
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Andre wrote ...

thanks for the info guys, but this is a HV multiplier it does not fail at 1KV it fails at around 40KV when you apply a bit of current

I think we'll need a complete schematic to help out properly.

Most importantly: What is the input frequency and voltage? What is the capacitance of each stage, and how many stages in total?

If the multiplier is built with small caps and has many stages, then there will be a significant voltage drop as soon as a small current is drawn from the output.

If you leave the multiplier's output unconnected and energize it to its full input voltage, is there any audible corona?
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