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Charging a ~400V NiCd Battery

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ScotchTapeLord
Fri Feb 22 2013, 05:50PM Print
ScotchTapeLord Registered Member #1875 Joined: Sun Dec 21 2008, 06:36PM
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Woke up to this and decided to make a portable 400V supply the easiest way possible! Link2

I read up on NiCd batteries and it seems the easiest way to charge them is to just give them C/10 for 16 hours at constant current (from full discharge).

I want jury rig a charger that I can use while designing something more sophisticated.

Would it be okay to use a NST to charge the pack? I can attach a full wave rectifier to the battery pack so the voltage is always reasonable across the diodes and just plug the pack into the output of the transformer to charge it, and just manually disconnect it after ~16 hours or so, or have a microcontroller cut off a relay between the mains and primary.

Not sure whether this should be in General Science or High Voltage. Figured I'd put it here since it's more about the battery than the HV.

Thanks!
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Erlend^SE
Fri Feb 22 2013, 08:46PM
Erlend^SE Registered Member #1565 Joined: Wed Jun 25 2008, 09:08PM
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Please, do sections so you can series and paralell connect them quite easily.

a simple boost converter with constant current may do the trick for charger.
But beware: this project can be the end of you if you ain't careful.

Make a way to break the string at least 1 place, best if you split it into many sections at less than 50V.

As for the boost charger, use TL494 or some other PWM controller.

For the final charger, use a microcontroller to do Delta-V and possible a thermistor for Delta-T for end of charge termination.

Ps: Do order some extra of the battery packs, since you don't know initial failure rate. And be very carefull when you connect it all.
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ScotchTapeLord
Fri Feb 22 2013, 11:25PM
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Thank you for the feedback. I am putting them all in series and would prefer not to handle it after assembly unless something fails. I bought extra, but how will I know if something has failed?

A boost converter would work but I have a neon sign transformer that has an output current about equal to the charging current I need. I was wondering if there was anything conceptually wrong with rectifying, smoothing, and using that to charge the whole series bank. I can monitor the current with a shunt resistor and clamp the output with a series resistor+mosfet to switch to float charging upon the voltage reversal exhibited by fully charged NiCd cells.
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Erlend^SE
Sat Feb 23 2013, 01:55PM
Erlend^SE Registered Member #1565 Joined: Wed Jun 25 2008, 09:08PM
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a NST should do the job nicely.

Just remember something to shut down the NST in case of open circuit.

As for failed cells, you would probably have to measure them all. Doing the battery in sections can be of great help there. Even neon-lamps connected over cells may be able to tell if the voltge is too high (more than 60V where there should be less at all times). If the pack starts to light up (the neons) then terminate charge and check all.
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ScotchTapeLord
Sat Feb 23 2013, 02:51PM
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I've decided to put a normally-on clamp (just a mosfet with a pullup resistor) right after the rectifier that will be triggered to go open when connected to the battery. Might have to put a pfc cap on the primary to help limit the idle current draw. Or I could just not leave it plugged in...

Thanks for the advice.
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