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Linear Power Supply and Active Current Regulation Across a Gas Discharge

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sngecko
Sat Jan 12 2013, 04:08PM Print
sngecko Registered Member #3447 Joined: Fri Nov 26 2010, 11:10PM
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I've built a gas discharge (laser) current regulator roughly shown by the circuit below. It is driven by a linear power supply (up to 20kVdc) with only a 2uF filter capacitor.

As many of you know, my system resulted in oscillations in an as-yet-unidentified location, but it is most likely in the central current path itself (probably in the laser tube). I will be buying an oscilloscope soon to verify the frequency distribution of the oscillations. This is all in an effort to build an inductor to work with the filter capacitor forming an LC filter to damp those destructive oscillations.

My question is, can I just do this with several bobbins with say 24 AWG magnet wire, then potted in a PVC pipe or similar? An open core design is essential, I think, because of the dc component saturating any ferrous core.
1358006848 3447 FT0 8738056 Orig
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Proud Mary
Sat Jan 12 2013, 04:58PM
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It's a shame that the author didn't specify just what he meant by 'high frequencies' in his belated correction.

You can start by putting a smallish capacitance in parallel with R in your diagram. Try 10nF to start with, and increase or decrease according to the results.
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sngecko
Sat Jan 12 2013, 06:18PM
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I'm sorry it's taken so long for me to get back to this project... Thank you, Proud Mary and others, for hanging in there with me. Money is always an object, and I've been saving up for that Rigol 100MHz oscilloscope.

The paper does actually specify the optimal frequency response thus, "The required bandwidth from the regulator is about 5kHz, since it has been observed that most feedback stabilization systems seem to give the best results at frequencies ranging from a few hundred Hz to a few kHz."
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Proud Mary
Sat Jan 12 2013, 06:46PM
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OK with those bandwidths. Try 100nF across R (to bypass high frequencies to Earth) and see if that stops the oscillation without stopping the desired action too, and then determine the optimum value by experiment. 100nF has a reactance of about 800Ω at 2 kHz, falling to 160Ω at 10 kHz.
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Pinky's Brain
Sat Jan 12 2013, 09:35PM
Pinky's Brain Registered Member #2901 Joined: Thu Jun 03 2010, 01:25PM
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For my education, could someone explain to me the point of the Rleak?
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Proud Mary
Sat Jan 12 2013, 09:49PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Pinky's Brain wrote ...

For my education, could someone explain to me the point of the Rleak?

It's the triode's self-bias grid leak.
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Pinky's Brain
Sat Jan 12 2013, 10:34PM
Pinky's Brain Registered Member #2901 Joined: Thu Jun 03 2010, 01:25PM
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A little more elaborately than that :p Why can't it simply be grounded like in a normal cascode? With a high voltage MOSFET the control loop can pinch off and regulate the current without the grid resistor ... is it a safety measure?
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mikeselectricstuff
Sat Jan 12 2013, 10:39PM
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Don't forget that many gas-discharge devices have a negative resistance characteristic, which will probably upset any attempt to regulate current without a suitable ballast resistor.
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Pinky's Brain
Sat Jan 12 2013, 10:45PM
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AFAICS the triode is the ballast ... it will take most of the voltage/power in operation (not highly efficient obviously).
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sngecko
Sat Jan 12 2013, 10:49PM
sngecko Registered Member #3447 Joined: Fri Nov 26 2010, 11:10PM
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Hi Mike. I'm sure you noticed the high frequency current regulation circuit at the top. This replaces the ballast resistor with dynamic resistance at a selected current level proportional to Vc.
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