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PFC as capacitor bank charger?

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hsieh
Mon Dec 03 2012, 10:43AM Print
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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Can I use PFC circuit as capacitor bank charger?I decide to use L6561 controller and the same schematic in the datasheet. Link2 Will it work if there is no load?My capacitor bank is 400V 2200uF.

Thanks
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Dec 03 2012, 01:52PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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You need a circuit which limits the current (current source), which a PFC circuit does not.
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Sulaiman
Mon Dec 03 2012, 03:49PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Looking at the datasheet Fig3,4,5 I'd say it is not suitable because
the rectified mains will rush through the transformer (Inductor with auxiliary winding)
with negligible impedance
until the voltage across the capacitor reaches about sqrt(2) x Vac
after which the pfc functionality will begin.
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Steve Conner
Mon Dec 03 2012, 05:05PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Yes, an ordinary PFC can only boost the voltage, so it's not suitable for charging a large capacitor bank right from zero volts. It would be nice if someone made a PFC with buck capability. I'm working on it 8)

If you can precharge the capacitor bank, and won't be discharging it low enough that the PFC falls out of boost mode, it might be OK. The PFC circuit will naturally limit current in boost mode, and you can adjust this current limit by clamping the demand voltage going into the multiplier.
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hsieh
Tue Dec 04 2012, 12:24AM
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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So every boost mode PFC controller IC is not suitable for this application?

What kind of circuit should I use to charge my capacitor bank?I'm building an induction launcher.
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Sulaiman
Tue Dec 04 2012, 02:18AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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The simplest is rectified ac with high enough series resistance to prevent problems,
safer would be a step-down transformer (e.g. 24 Vac output)
and a step-up transformer (step-down transformer used 'backwards')
e.g. 24Vac : 240 Vac .. or something similar.
resistance (or reactance) can be on the line side, or load side
or between the transformers.
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hsieh
Tue Dec 04 2012, 06:15AM
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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I don't want to use a resistor because I don't want to produce heat.I think I will use an inductor in serial with my capacitor bank.

I have a lot of fluorescent lamp ballast inductor. Can I use that?
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Steve Conner
Tue Dec 04 2012, 09:04AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Yup, fluorescent lamp ballast chokes should work fine. But only on the AC side of the rectifier. tongue
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