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GammaRay
Wed Oct 31 2012, 04:33PM Print
GammaRay Registered Member #5323 Joined: Fri Jun 15 2012, 02:14PM
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Checked the archives already... I have a switch question.

Just for fun, I built a circuit that, when placed very close to an ion source such as a cathode tube style television set or an Ionic Breeze air cleaner, etc, scavenges enough airborne ions to power small loads such as an LED or small motor. A pointed wire is placed near the ion source to receive the energy (like a small lightning rod) and charges a HV capacitor which discharges through a 1kV gas-filled spark arrestor into a Buck-Converter (spark arrestor in the place of Q1...HV cap not shown). The Buck-Converter steps down the 1kV pulses down to a relatively smooth 5-10 volts which powers the light loads. L1 is 12mH, C1 can be anywhere between 3300-22,000 uf to work okay.

I want to replace the 1kV gas-filled spark arrestor with a semi-conductor switch so I can drive the switch with my Function Generator.

Already tied a CLARE CPC1788J 1kV Opto-Isolated Mosfet but can't seem to get it to work in this application. Can anybody recommend other devices for me to try? Preferably Isolated devices. Thanks in advance. (Btw, tried to attached the schematic from the EDIT mode using the INSERT IMAGE feature... but wouldn't work)
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GammaRay
Wed Oct 31 2012, 04:46PM
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Here's the Buck schematic.
1351702006 5323 FT145888 Buckconverterschematic
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Patrick
Wed Oct 31 2012, 07:26PM
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I wonder if its the coluomb ion count, or the presence of the e-filed thats generating your power...

not sure if you figuered out that you need to vist the attatchments thread to post pics, it looks like your able to get images though.

I have question, are you using a 2 terminal tube and trying to replace it with a 3 terminal transistor?
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GammaRay
Wed Oct 31 2012, 10:36PM
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Patrick:

Yes. I want to replace the 2 terminal gas-filled arrestor with a silicon-switch that I can control with my function gen.

Essentially, I am asking for advice on what device to use for Q1 (that can handle 1kV (+/-) and is preferably isolated so I don't fry my function gen).

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Mattski
Thu Nov 01 2012, 01:01AM
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A high voltage MOSFET or IGBT with a gate drive transformer using well insulated windings seems like it should do the trick. 1.5kV IGBT's can be bought in the $5 price range.

I'm guessing that the voltage on the input cap will keep rising if not enough current is drawn from it, so you can either assure that enough load current is drawn, or you could put a bleeder resistor or a safety spark arrestor (which could be implemented with solid-state devices like zener diodes, MOV's, or BJT's using avalanche breakdown) if you want to make sure that the main switching transistor does not accidentally break down.
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Patrick
Thu Nov 01 2012, 06:57AM
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are you using a really nice full featured benchtop function generator, or a simple duty cycle timer (555 timer)?
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Steve Conner
Thu Nov 01 2012, 07:26AM
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I think the key would be the extremely low leakage current of the gas tube switch. A MOSFET or IGBT could well leak more than the current you're trying to collect.
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GammaRay
Thu Nov 01 2012, 04:29PM
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My Function Gen is basic function $150 version.

Steve, I'm beginning to think the reason the CLARE CPC1788J OptoIsolated Mosfet isn't working in this application is indeed because it leaks too much, thus never allowing the HV cap to develop much voltage.
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Patrick
Fri Nov 02 2012, 02:18AM
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careful you dont kill it, even with tiny currents, HV likes to eat instruments.
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Ash Small
Fri Nov 02 2012, 04:29PM
Ash Small Registered Member #3414 Joined: Sun Nov 14 2010, 05:05PM
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What about using a vacuum tube (valve)?

You shouldn't get any leakage, AFAIK, and you can drive it from a signal generator

High voltage ones are plentiful and cheap.
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