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Harry
Wed Sept 19 2012, 05:35PM Print
Harry Registered Member #4081 Joined: Wed Aug 31 2011, 06:40PM
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Hello all, I bought a sony MHC RX80 stereo at a car boot (Bargain, £8 for a 90's beast) but it has a problem. The volume knob doesn't work. It is the kind that can be turned one way infinitely, so it's not a pot. I've looked for a service manual but can't find anything, does anyone know anything about these kind of volume controls and how the problem can be rectified?
Cheers, Harry.
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Experimentonomen
Wed Sept 19 2012, 05:45PM
Experimentonomen Registered Member #941 Joined: Sun Aug 05 2007, 10:09AM
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This is a digitally controlled circuit, the knob is a device called a rotary encoder.
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Patrick
Wed Sept 19 2012, 06:01PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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yeah i would agree, but what does he mean "infinately in one direction" ? a normal encoder for front panels will rotate either CCW or CW infinately... right?
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Harry
Wed Sept 19 2012, 06:23PM
Harry Registered Member #4081 Joined: Wed Aug 31 2011, 06:40PM
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Sorry, it can be turned infinitely in either direction. It doesn't matter which was I turn it, the effect on the volume is random, sometimes up, sometimes down, sometimes nothing at all.
Any way to fix it?
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Dr. Slack
Wed Sept 19 2012, 07:33PM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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If it has any effect on the volume at all, that's good, it means that something is happening.

If it's quadrature optical - a reasonable assumption - then opaque contamination of the slots or optics (say used by a heavy smoker?) could cause the symptoms you list, assuming it's not tracking across between high impedance connections, or broken wires making intermittent contact.

Examine the housing, clean it if it's dirty, probably won't fix it. Pull all the wires gently, if that stops it working one or more are broken, probably unlikely. After those simple checks, look for a way to break in, without breaking anything. Once apart, make sure all the slots in the slotted disc are clean, make sure the lenses on the optics are clean, and reassemble. I usually break something at this point, but hopefully YMMV.

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Shrad
Wed Sept 19 2012, 07:50PM
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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heavy use of isopropyl alcohol is due there
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Steve Conner
Wed Sept 19 2012, 09:33PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Sounds like the encoder is simply dirty or worn out. Cleaning may well help.

The consumer grade ones aren't optical as far as I know, they have ordinary switch contacts inside.
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Sulaiman
Thu Sept 20 2012, 12:06PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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The cheap mechanical rotary encoders only cost $1 to £1 so it would be worth replacing.
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Patrick
Thu Sept 20 2012, 07:37PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Sulaiman wrote ...

The cheap mechanical rotary encoders only cost $1 to £1 so it would be worth replacing.
if he can find a physically close enough match, else its cleaning time, ive even carefully dremeld the back off, cleaned and reassembled a special one. Works just fine.
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Harry
Sat Sept 22 2012, 09:41AM
Harry Registered Member #4081 Joined: Wed Aug 31 2011, 06:40PM
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Thanks everyone for the helpful replies! I'll give a clean with some oil or WD40 (I'll have to check it is non conductive) and see if that works. If it doesn't I'll disassemble it.
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