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Regulated power supply for geiger tubes?

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hsieh
Wed Aug 29 2012, 02:43PM Print
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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I want to build a geiger counter,but most of the geiger tube power supply I found on the internet seems to be not regulated or only rely on zener diodes to clamp the output voltage.I build some of them but the output voltage is unstable and producing spikes.I'm afraid that I may damage my tube.What is better solution?Should I use a SMPS controller IC to build a step up converter?

Thanks
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Ben Solon
Wed Aug 29 2012, 04:02PM
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boost and flyback converters can be extremely efficient voltage sources, and when using divider feedback along with large filter capacitance and chokes, you wont even see the ripple.
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Shrad
Thu Aug 30 2012, 07:46AM
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why not use a CCFL inverter with the ENABLE or contrast input driven by a comparator with feedback from output?
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Steve Conner
Thu Aug 30 2012, 08:20AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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The CCFL inverters I've worked with convert the control voltage to PWM at about 400Hz. The output would have lots of 400Hz ripple.
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Shrad
Thu Aug 30 2012, 10:16AM
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I checked with basic RLC filter, it is easy to get less than 1% of ripple if the original ripple is 50Vpp 400Hz, you should just design a one stage RLC with a Fres at that frequency
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hsieh
Fri Aug 31 2012, 09:50AM
hsieh Registered Member #1412 Joined: Thu Mar 27 2008, 04:07PM
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I build this Link2 circuit but it didn't oscillate.I use TL072 in my junkbox instead of max4162.Is this why it didn't work?the output of my opamp is 5V but 74HC14 didn't oscillate.
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Shrad
Fri Aug 31 2012, 10:16AM
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it is a dual rail supply op-amp

try to use a single rail op-amp like LM358
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JulietMikeBravo
Tue Sept 11 2012, 10:42PM
JulietMikeBravo Registered Member #5136 Joined: Sun Jun 03 2012, 03:07PM
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hsieh wrote ...

I want to build a geiger counter,but most of the geiger tube power supply I found on the internet seems to be not regulated or only rely on zener diodes to clamp the output voltage.I build some of them but the output voltage is unstable and producing spikes.I'm afraid that I may damage my tube.What is better solution?Should I use a SMPS controller IC to build a step up converter?

Thanks

I build this schematic, it works very well:

Link2

It's a HV generator that shuts off when the required voltage is reached and only recharges when voltage over the output cap gets too low. It has some ripple on the output due to the switching, but the circuit has a really low current draw, about 0,25 mA in idle. It's of course possible to add a RC filter to remove some of the ripple.
To add a flashing light and clicks, just connect a 50K potmeter between the cathode of the tube and earth, and feed the wiper into a darlington transistor, I used a BC517.r

This circuit is one of the best I have found. It's small, uses fairly standard components and draws little current.

Following is a video of the circuit in operation:
Link2

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