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Weird caps hiss/buzz at rated AC voltage

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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Aug 20 2012, 07:04PM Print
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Hi,
I got a bunch of these caps which came from a high power induction cooker:

1345489182 152 FT0 P1242


According to this page Link2 they are rated at 800VAC and 1200VDC. I tried applying 800VAC 50Hz to them, and they buzz or hiss audibly, almost like corona crackling... They start to buzz even at just 600VAC or so. I tried abusing one for about half an hour, but the capacitance didn't change (which would indicate spark overs and self healing).

Anyone guess what is this? I wanted to use them in a SGTC at just a bit below their max ratings, do you think they will survive?
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Steve Conner
Mon Aug 20 2012, 09:35PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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I'd guess the capacitor is vibrating because of electrostatic forces?
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Aug 20 2012, 10:15PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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It's a crackling, snapping sound like the corona on very high voltage transmission lines... It really sounds almost like there is a corona inside the capacitor but I doubt it... I tired abusing it on 1kV AC, it survived for half an hour and capacitance stayed the same, but now the cap even noticably heated up.
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GrantX
Wed Aug 22 2012, 06:06AM
GrantX Registered Member #4074 Joined: Mon Aug 29 2011, 06:58AM
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I've experienced the same thing with some very cheap and nasty 630V rolled pp/foil audio caps. Those caps would readily fail when pulsed and seemed to be poorly made (they weren't smoothly rolled and had messy epoxy sealing their ends). At the time I thought it was some internal vibrations, because I didn't think any corona would be noticeable at such a low voltage.

Maybe its just the mark of dodgy caps?
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Dr. Dark Current
Wed Aug 22 2012, 10:48AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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OK, Thanks for the replies... Guess I'm not going to abuse them in an SGTC then.
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Steve Maurer
Thu Aug 23 2012, 12:51AM
Steve Maurer Registered Member #133 Joined: Fri Feb 10 2006, 10:27PM
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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I have encountered a few metalized polyester capacitors that made audible noise with 120 VAC, 60 Hz applied to them. Upon dissecting them, air pockets were discovered within the potting. The capacitors were mechanically vibrating, which was causing audible buzzing.

If you are hearing crackling, then that’s another story.

If you know an engineer or technician that has access to a DC hipot tester, you may test one of the capacitors with high voltage DC and observe the leakage current. Excessive leakage current will be noticed if coronal partial discharge is taking place within the capacitor.
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cbfull
Thu Aug 23 2012, 01:23PM
cbfull Registered Member #187 Joined: Thu Feb 16 2006, 02:54PM
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Try powering them with the lights off. Maybe wait a few minutes to let your eyes adjust and look for corona leaks.
I have some of those and I remember them being noisy as well.
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radiotech
Fri Aug 24 2012, 06:36PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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Singing capacitors were an annoyance in the valve days of audio. There is data on the net
about how and when.
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