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78000 Joules Ready to Fire!

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Oneironaut
Wed Jul 25 2012, 01:06AM Print
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With a total of five capacitors rated at 50kv / 2.5uF in a Marx configuration, this is going to be an intense discharge!

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I only have to add a few 1000watt bulbs to ballast the transformer, and then it's testing time.
Will report back no matter what happens.
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Newton Brawn
Wed Jul 25 2012, 02:31AM
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Hi Oneironaut ,

Do you mind to show the schematic diagram, with the components specifications, so we can follow your machine ???

Regards

Newton
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HV Enthusiast
Wed Jul 25 2012, 02:45AM
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Are those capacitors pulse rated? I ask because the fluted terminals are really big and generally pulse rated capacitors have either very small terminals or internally threaded terminals. If they aren't, then i'd be very careful as i've seen capacitors that look like these fail spectacular under high current discharges.
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Oneironaut
Wed Jul 25 2012, 04:15AM
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GE Potential transformer - puts out just under 40kv
50kv, 2.5uF caps - custom built (do not know if pulse rated)
Inductors - hand wound on 4 inch pvc pipe
Rectifier - 17 series microwave oven diodes
Spark gaps - welded 1 inch ball bearings onto bolts (adjustable)
Vessel - Made of 3/4" thick nylon plates

I am using this machine to break up rocks to liberate precious gemstones from background material.

Brad
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Kizmo
Wed Jul 25 2012, 12:17PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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Where did you get this 78000J figure? My math says 15625J for 5x 50kV 2.5µF

Still cool build! Hope it lasts :)
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HV Enthusiast
Wed Jul 25 2012, 01:35PM
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Custom built caps? Wow. They look nice! Keep us posted on your results. Make sure you video the first firing of that thing!!!
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Oneironaut
Wed Jul 25 2012, 03:29PM
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Thanks,

Yes, the caps were custom built by General Atomics. I believe they were for radar use, but can't be sure.

I arrived at the Joules figure by being lazy and using the calculator on this website...

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250vk and 2.5uF

Brad
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HV Enthusiast
Wed Jul 25 2012, 03:56PM
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Custom built caps? Wow. They look nice! Keep us posted on your results. Make sure you video the first firing of that thing!!!
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Kizmo
Wed Jul 25 2012, 04:02PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
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Oneironaut wrote ...

Thanks,

Yes, the caps were custom built by General Atomics. I believe they were for radar use, but can't be sure.

I arrived at the Joules figure by being lazy and using the calculator on this website...

Link2

250vk and 2.5uF

Brad

Keep in mind that in marx generator capacitors are charged in parallel and discharged in series. During charging you are charging 12.5µF 50kV worth of capacitors. Once spark gaps fire, your capacitors will be in series. Voltage is 250kV but so called erected capacitance is 2.5µF/5 -> 0.5µF

Quick calculation reveals that stored energy on both states is same

12.5µF 50kV -> 15.625kJ
0.5µf 250kV -> 15.625kJ

But still it will be mighty bang :)

EDIT:

Uncontrolled and uncountained 70kJ looks like this:

1343232639 599 FT142296 70kj
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HV Enthusiast
Wed Jul 25 2012, 06:26PM
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oh, my mistake. i thought you meant you built them yourself custom.

yeah, i work with radar as well and those particular caps look to be regular filter capacitors (at least based on the photos)

do you have part numbers? if so, give them a call to see if they can give you some specs as far as what they are and what they were designed for.

better to be safe than sorry as i've seen similar caps blow up under heavy discharge (assuming they are not rated for pulse duty)
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