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Elementry FM Plasma Speaker Work

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Paul_J.
Mon Jun 25 2012, 04:50PM Print
Paul_J. Registered Member #5436 Joined: Sun Jun 24 2012, 01:44AM
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Hello,

This is my first post and I’ll get right down to business.

I originally used a copy of the Dr. Dark Current PWM plasma speaker, but I always had too much overshoot. Also, the output voltage from the MOSFET driver was too low to saturate the gates. So, I drew out the Tobias FM controller, with a TC4420 driver added. This then feeds the original Dr. Dark Current Half Bridge. Outputs 1+
    2 connect to the GDT, with the original UCC chip bypassed. I used the TC because of a higher input voltage and higher heat dissipation.

    • Are there any improvements to be made to my Frankenstein design?
    • The TC driver portion-What different MOSFET could I use? The original UCC driver used the IRF540, which I thought was overkill.
    • On my original plasma speaker, which was an exact replica of the hv-labs.xf.cz (Dark Current) design, I kept killing the MOSFETs due to kickback from the primary after shutdown. Is there anyway to properly design a snubber? The original 470pf+2.2k wasn’t really working.
    • I’ve been using telephone connector wire for my GDT. What would you recommend to use?
    Are there any advantages of a Inverted driver vs. Non-Inverted?

    Thanks and sorry for my wordy plea,

    Paul

    http://hv-labs.xf.cz/singarc.html Original schematics
    http://tobiasmugge.wordpress.com/projetos/plasma-speaker/ Tobias design
    ]img018.pdf[/file] This is my driver schematic
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    Dr. Dark Current
    Mon Jun 25 2012, 09:19PM
    Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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    Hi,
    in my circuit there are the two diodes to clamp the inductive kick back and recycle it to the filter cap. Did you have the diodes in place and short wiring? What you describe should really not happen.

    Or if you are referring to the "simple output stage", well there will always be spiking on the drain of the FET and heating of the transistor, the price you pay for a simple circuit. :P

    PS. The output voltage from the gate driver is about the same, if there was a too low voltage on the gate then you had a too low supply for the driver, or a damaged component.
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    Paul_J.
    Mon Jun 25 2012, 09:23PM
    Paul_J. Registered Member #5436 Joined: Sun Jun 24 2012, 01:44AM
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    Hi,

    The half bridge was mounted on a perf board, but the MOSFETS were connected through wiered several inches long.
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    Dr. Dark Current
    Mon Jun 25 2012, 09:23PM
    Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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    Well this is bad but the circuit should work anyway. Make the wiring as short as possible. You do have the diodes in place right? Do you have a scope?
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    Paul_J.
    Mon Jun 25 2012, 09:48PM
    Paul_J. Registered Member #5436 Joined: Sun Jun 24 2012, 01:44AM
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    Hello,

    I have a scope. What do you mean by bad? Are there any obvious faults?

    Thanks for your help,

    Paul

    PS Do you really use that Hung Chang 20 mHz scope on a daily basis?
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    Dr. Dark Current
    Mon Jun 25 2012, 09:51PM
    Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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    I meant the long connections are bad. Yes I do use the scope often. Can you post a picture of the gate waveforms?
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    Paul_J.
    Mon Jun 25 2012, 09:54PM
    Paul_J. Registered Member #5436 Joined: Sun Jun 24 2012, 01:44AM
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    Ah about that....

    As of this moment I have run out of IRF740s.......

    I'm also building a PCB for the speaker, which should be finished in a week.

    I'll try to post one as soon as possible but from what I saw, I got about 10 volts with some overshoot, however it was still an aceptable square wave.
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