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Thomas W
Sat Jun 09 2012, 11:27PM Print
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i was just thinking, is it possible, and would there be any use in building a 3 phase inverter and powering ferrite like that, 3 phase 50Khz, ever been attempted before?

thanks,
Tom Williamson
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Carbon_Rod
Sun Jun 10 2012, 01:07AM
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i.) 3-phase inverters are very common in industrial setups, but are usually more expensive than rotary phase converters.

ii.) Most ceramic ferrite is designed to operate at higher frequencies well above 50/60 Hz...


Given these two general trends I would suggest the answer is "not often".
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Thomas W
Sun Jun 10 2012, 01:09AM
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yes, i know both these things, howeveri was wondering would there be advantages of 3 phase HF and ferrite transformers
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Patrick
Sun Jun 10 2012, 02:00AM
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I see no reason for a 3 ph HF transformer using ferrite? just up the freq on a single phase SMPS.
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Carbon_Rod
Sun Jun 10 2012, 02:08AM
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I would wager the 50kHz switching would cause a number of attenuation losses that violate normal efficiency assumptions, and adding multiphase coupling noise would not simplify issues.

Cheers,
Rod
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Patrick
Sun Jun 10 2012, 02:15AM
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Carbon_Rod wrote ...

I would wager the 50kHz switching would cause a number of attenuation losses that violate normal efficiency assumptions, and adding multiphase coupling noise would not simplify issues.

Cheers,
Rod
If im not mistaken, isnt 3-phase just used for high power low ripple, like for the 33 ton high speed NC punch press i operated? doesnt it get around the pfc/harmonic/high current surge and such--problems of single phase?
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Carbon_Rod
Sun Jun 10 2012, 02:43AM
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This is not really related to Tom's inquiry,
but things like an industrial VFD driver can actually be very hard on equipment if the motor is not rated "switching tolerant":
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One of the many reasons why these are a cheap deal on e-bay... wink


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Patrick
Sun Jun 10 2012, 02:51AM
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Carbon_Rod wrote ...

This is not really related to Tom's inquiry,
but things like an industrial VFD driver can actually be very hard on equipment if the motor is not rated "switching tolerant":
Link2
One of the many reasons why these are a cheap deal on e-bay... wink



this is an excellent primer though on VFD.
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Steve Conner
Sun Jun 10 2012, 07:46AM
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I've seen high power SMPS that use a 3 phase bridge converter and a 3 phase ferrite transformer. But these were really high power things, like megawatt pulses for particle accelerators.

On a more manageable scale, computer motherboards have a buck converter with at least 3 phases, but there is no transformer, just one inductor per phase.
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ConKbot of Doom
Mon Jun 11 2012, 02:46AM
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As Vcore has dropped on processors and wattages staying high, mulitphase VRM modules have really gotten quite indepth

Link2

8 phase for cpu + 2 phase for onboard graphics, seems a bit crazy, but a processor eating 60A probably justifies it.
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