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Transistor electrical characterics: typical/max switching delays

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Kizmo
Sat Jun 09 2012, 01:27PM Print
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
Location: Northern Finland, Rovaniemi
Posts: 624
Some manufacturers like powerex tell only maximum delays and others may tell typical and maximum delays.

Example:

CM600HA-24H / Resistive load VCC = 600V, IC = 600A VGE = 15V, RG = 2.1Ω

Turn on delay
Min -
Typ -
Max 300ns

Rise time
Min -
Typ -
Max 700ns

Turn off delay
Min -
Typ -
Max 450ns

Fall time
Min -
Typ -
Max 350ns


Fuji 1MBI600U4-120 / Inductive load VCC = 600V, IC = 600A VGE = 15V, RG = 0.6Ω

Turn on delay
Min -
Typ 320ns
Max 1200ns

Rise time
Min -
Typ 100ns
Max 600ns

Turn off delay
Min -
Typ 410ns
Max 1000ns

Fall time
Min -
Typ 70ns
Max 300ns

Why there is such a large difference between Typ and max values if conditions are same? I tried to quickly search around and did not find papers that would reveal if Fuji and powerex have different way of measuring these delays though.
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Dr. Dark Current
Sat Jun 09 2012, 01:48PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
Location: Czech Rep.
Posts: 3384
Well, I don't know, for smaller TO2xx parts the MAX values are usually just a bit larger than the typical ones.
What bothers me though, are the ratings for resistive load switching, this is of absolutely no use in reality.
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Jrz126
Sat Jun 09 2012, 02:46PM
Jrz126 Registered Member #242 Joined: Thu Feb 23 2006, 11:37PM
Location: Erie PA
Posts: 210
It's probably some statistically calculated number for worst case delay due to part to part variation, junction temp, age, etc.

You could use that number for worst case operation for calculating junction temp when implementing an inverter thermal protection model.

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Steve Conner
Sat Jun 09 2012, 03:04PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 6706
I always ignore the typical values in datasheets. I don't know why they even print them. The only values that the manufacturer will guarantee are the worst-case ones (min or max as appropriate) so I use those for all calculations. Then in production, every part they send me should work.

That's for mass production. For one-off builds you can test every set of transistors you use, look at the switching waveforms, measure the temperature rise and decide how far you want to push them, setting your phase lead and current limit accordingly.

The times all vary with temperature, so you need to factor in the worst-case temperature too.
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