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GalliumMan
Thu Jun 07 2012, 04:38PM Print
GalliumMan Registered Member #2571 Joined: Sat Dec 26 2009, 12:02AM
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 17
Hi all,

Does anyone have any input on the validity of this tecnology, Sounds too good to be true to me.

This is from their website: http://adrokgroup.com/

Adrok’s technology works by sending a narrow light beam of energy into
the ground using micro and radio waves. The beam is then reflected back
by the various rock layers and the energy changed by the materials it
has passed through on the way.

Reaching great depths, it learns how different substances, including
hydrocarbons, interact with the light waves passing through them and
pinpoints their composition. The technology measures dielectric
permittivity of rock layers in the ground and characterizes the nature
of the rock types based on spectroscopic analyses of the resonant
energy response from Adrok’s transmitted beams reflected back from the
ground.

Adrok’s scanner illuminates the ground by transmitting and receiving
invisible lased EM energy.

The beam is:
Pulsed,
Coherent (narrow band)
Focused for minimal dispersion
Collimated (cylindrical shaped), and contains resonant microwave and
radiowave frequencies

Adrok’s ADR Scanner delivers output measurements based on:
Dielectric Permittivity
Resonant behaviours of molecules
Spectroscopy
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Mattski
Thu Jun 07 2012, 04:50PM
Mattski Registered Member #1792 Joined: Fri Oct 31 2008, 08:12PM
Location: University of California
Posts: 527
In principle what they describe is possible, you can analyze materials and their depth based on the spectrum, magnitude, angle, and time of arrival of the reflections off of different materials.

I'd have some doubts mainly about how deep a system like this can penetrate into the earth, and how well they can focus their source radiator given the small size. The devil is in the details as to how well it works, but they're not making up new physical principles.
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Bored Chemist
Fri Jun 08 2012, 05:41PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
Location: sheffield
Posts: 1022
Ever noticed how a car radio fades when you go under a bridge?
Tried using a GPS indoors?
That gives you a very good idea how well radio waves and microwaves penetrate the ground.
The idea is total moonshine.

That's before we start asking about how to focus or collimate radio waves at anything other than rather high frequencies.
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Chris Russell
Sat Jun 09 2012, 12:40AM
Chris Russell ... not Russel!
Registered Member #1 Joined: Thu Jan 26 2006, 12:18AM
Location: Tempe, Arizona
Posts: 1052
It sounds like a really cruddy description of ground penetrating radar. It works, but penetration is measured in centimeters or meters, not kilometers.

The Wikipedia article (obviously authored by Adrok) is pretty hilarious. Some gems:

In recent years, the technology for the production of laser light has become widely available, and applications of this medium to the examination of materials are constantly expanding. Whereas the earlier applications concentrated on the use of visible laser light, the development of systems using invisible laser light are now being further explored.

Ah, of course, invisible laser light.

The conditioned pulse of photons passes through the structure of the atom and emerges to encounter more atoms further along its path.

.... right.


In order to unambiguously identify the material in question the software does not necessarily need to know the specific values of ε, μ and σ, which, per se, may not necessarily identify the unknown material in question, but it may be necessary to establish 10 or 12 (or more) other mathematical or statistical relationships related to the energy-frequency spectra of the unknown material in question, to establish from the ADR control database of such parameters unquestionably what the material’s code is by the software’s logical expert systems method of discrimination.

Haha... what?

Proprietary adjustment of wave prior to emission of energy from the system

Sure, you just get in there and adjust that wave so that it can pass through kilometers of solid rock. I'll bet it's proprietary.
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Bored Chemist
Sat Jun 09 2012, 12:52PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
Location: sheffield
Posts: 1022
To be fair "invisible laser light" isn't that absurd: it's equivalent to talking about IR lasers.
However the rest is exemplary dross.
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Steve Conner
Sat Jun 09 2012, 03:16PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 6706
Sounds like the old trick with the photocopier, warmed over for the 21st century! smile

I can't remember the source, but Elf were involved in a scam where the "oil finding machine" turned out to be a photocopier with an already published map of the oilfield in it.
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Proud Mary
Sat Jun 09 2012, 04:36PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
Location: UK
Posts: 4992
The inventor's US patent claims that his device has successfully detected shipwrecks on the sea bed, and can also detect 'explosives, contraband substances, and in particular narcotics'. Link2


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plazmatron
Sat Jun 09 2012, 09:46PM
plazmatron Registered Member #1134 Joined: Tue Nov 20 2007, 04:39PM
Location: Bonnie Scotland
Posts: 351
But of course it has to detect everything, in order to capture a wider audience! cheesey

I wonder how many people will sink money into this one??
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Pinky's Brain
Sat Jun 09 2012, 10:17PM
Pinky's Brain Registered Member #2901 Joined: Thu Jun 03 2010, 01:25PM
Location:
Posts: 837
I guess that with really optimistic assumptions about the ground (ie. sand at some high altitude with deep ground water levels) you could have ground penetrating radar achieve some significant debt ... but how the hell is this supposed to work with sea water ... you aren't even going to scan to a meter.
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Conundrum
Sun Jun 10 2012, 12:10AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
Location: CI, Earth
Posts: 4061
Sea water is "interesting".
It absorbs radio waves but not magnetic fields, as these typically go through anything except ferrous metals.
This is how the wreck finders work, by detecting the weak variation in the Earth's magnetic field caused by metal getting in the way of the field and distorting the flux lines.

-A
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