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Has anyone duplicated the "Crystal fusion" experiment?

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Conundrum
Tue Apr 10 2012, 08:15AM Print
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Hi all.
just curious, but has anyone here with enough equipment observed 1) x-rays or 2) neutrons from
the "two opposed crystals of lithium tantalate with tungsten microtips in low pressure deuterium" experiment?

It got me thinking, how big would an experimental chamber with thousands of isolated, individually cooled and heated LiTaO3 emitters need to be to get positive energy output, even briefly?

I'm thinking something like about 8 feet diameter, with central and outer grids charged to 500KV much like the Farnsworth device..

Cooling would be a pain though, and so would shielding due to spurious X-ray emissions and hard gammas from the fusion reaction itself.
You could pump a neutron absorbing isotope in a liquid metal carrier through the inner grid though, to transfer the fusion energy to a heat exchanger as the resultant isotopes would rapidly decay emitting heat as they go.


Discuss.
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Proud Mary
Tue Apr 10 2012, 09:35AM
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W. Tornow, S. M. Lynam, and S. M. Shafroth, Substantial increase in acceleration potential of pyroelectric crystals, Journal of Applied Physics, Vol. 107, 063302 (2010)

B. Naranjo, S. Putterman and T. Venhaus, Pyroelectric fusion using a tritiated target, Nuclear Instruments and Methods in Physics Research Section A: Accelerators, Spectrometers, Detectors and Associated Equipment, Vol. 632, Issue 1, (11 March 2011), pp. 43-46.

I don't believe any of the scientists working with pyroelectric fusion have ever claimed that the output was greater than the input.
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plazmatron
Tue Apr 10 2012, 06:14PM
plazmatron Registered Member #1134 Joined: Tue Nov 20 2007, 04:39PM
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Conundrum wrote ...

Hi all.
just curious, but has anyone here with enough equipment observed 1) x-rays or 2) neutrons from
the "two opposed crystals of lithium tantalate with tungsten microtips in low pressure deuterium" experiment?

As Proud Mary says, there are, or have been, portable neutron generators built using pyroelectric crystals for the accelerating voltage. These use either Tritium or Deuterium gas, and a Deuterated or Tritiated target.

Fusors, and similar neutron generators, are in fact commercially available as neutron sources. None are net energy producers.

Amptek produces miniature can sized x-ray tubes based on pyroelectric field emission.
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Conundrum
Wed Apr 11 2012, 06:32AM
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Hmm, ok.
I mean, has anyone on 4HV ever built one?
It would seem a relatively simple task, with a vacuum pump and chamber with getter, Peltier junction with RF based power, crystal etc.
D2O can be obtained in the form of deuterated water then electrolysed to get deuterium gas.

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Proud Mary
Wed Apr 11 2012, 02:02PM
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Conundrum wrote ...

Hmm, ok.
I mean, has anyone on 4HV ever built one?
It would seem a relatively simple task, with a vacuum pump and chamber with getter, Peltier junction with RF based power, crystal etc.
D2O can be obtained in the form of deuterated water then electrolysed to get deuterium gas.

It looks a costly business to me, André...


1334152828 543 FT0 Pyroelectric Fusion

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Conundrum
Wed Apr 11 2012, 06:25PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Based on the picture shown, and the discovery that it doesent need the microtips after all I woukd estimate under £100 UKP if you have the Peltiers and crystals already.
Even a broken open PIR sensor can sometimes have one of these crystals, just remove the silicon window.
Affix to Peltier with low melt alloy and voila.

Might be worth vacuum coating the "cold" side with copper, and adding an auxillary heater to get the required fast cool/heat cycle.

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