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ZakWolf
Thu Apr 05 2012, 01:25AM Print
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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So I drew up a PCB for Gren’s plasma speaker (second version) and I etched everything, soldered everything up, first light, didn’t work.

After many hours of checking for errors and leaving it alone for 3 weeks I can rule out bridge connections

Nothing is getting HOT/warm the chip gets slightly warm, and does not get any hotter. The high voltage side I guess you would call it (irfp250’s and filter cap side) is not drawing any power.

I ASSumed that I had the GDT is wired wrong, even though I tripled checked it, so I looked at the plasma speaker board I already made and copied it, still didn’t work, anything that could cause this?

Thanks
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Forty
Thu Apr 05 2012, 02:34AM
Forty Registered Member #3888 Joined: Sun May 15 2011, 09:50PM
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Did you check that you mirrored the design properly?
when you're sure you laid out the circuit properly on paper, that's the next thing to check.

Is your pcb material clear or just really thin? It looks pretty cool.
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ZakWolf
Thu Apr 05 2012, 03:20AM
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Link2 here is the site/schematic

Yeah i checked that, i scanned it then mirrored it.

Its just some copper board i picked up at the store, its about 2.5 mm (3/32"); i think its fiberglass...

I drew it by hand, thanks for the compliment.
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Alex M
Thu Apr 05 2012, 05:54AM
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From the photos it looks like one or more of the zeners might be electrically touching one of the drain pin's via some excess solder. Although I can't really tell.
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ZakWolf
Thu Apr 05 2012, 05:58AM
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Alex1M6 wrote ...

From the photos it looks like one or more of the zeners might be electrically touching one of the drain pin's via some excess solder. Although I can't really tell.

double checked, theres a space between the two.

What would cause the mosfets not to turn on, a bad signal from the GDT?
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Alex M
Thu Apr 05 2012, 06:07AM
Alex M Registered Member #3943 Joined: Sun Jun 12 2011, 05:24PM
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I know its a pain as you have everything soldered down but unsolder one of the GDT outputs and connect your multimeter across it set to measure AC volts then power the driver on.

Should be getting somewhere around 10-12vac out of it. Or alternatively you could set your meter to measure continuity and connect it across the source and drain of one of the MOSFET's, if it turns on your meter will beep.

If nothing happens then you have a problem/incorrect connections in the driver section somewhere.

Also you have probably already tried this but just to be sure, have you tried adjusting the potentiometer to change the frequency?

And something jmartis told me is that not all ferrite cores work for this type of thing, first one I tried did not work very well at all.
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ZakWolf
Thu Apr 05 2012, 06:27AM
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Alex1M6 wrote ...

I know its a pain as you have everything soldered down but unsolder one of the GDT outputs and connect your multimeter across it set to measure AC volts then power the driver on.

Should be getting somewhere around 10-12vac out of it. Or alternatively you could set your meter to measure continuity and connect it across the source and drain of one of the MOSFET's, if it turns on your meter will beep.

If nothing happens then you have a problem/incorrect connections in the driver section somewhere.

Also you have probably already tried this but just to be sure, have you tried adjusting the potentiometer to change the frequency?

And something jmartis told me is that not all ferrite cores work for this type of thing, first one I tried did not work very well at all.

Thanks I will try all that tomorrow, got to get some sleep
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