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'Faster than light' neutrinos scientist quits

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Proud Mary
Sun Apr 01 2012, 01:39PM Print
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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'Faster than light' neutrinos scientist quits
The Independent
31st March 2012

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Conundrum
Sun Apr 01 2012, 02:40PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Ouch, that sucks. To be fair he was out on a very creaky limb with the whole FTL thing...

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Proud Mary
Sun Apr 01 2012, 04:12PM
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Another casualty of premature announcement of discovery to the media, and proof, if ever it were needed, that senior scientists should have some media relations training to stop this all too frequent blunder happening again.
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IamSmooth
Sun Apr 01 2012, 06:37PM
IamSmooth Registered Member #190 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 12:00AM
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I have a question:

The scientist makes a calculation error and challenges a core principle. He turns out to be wrong. Does this really require resignation? I am not taking sides: I would just like to hear what others believe.
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Proud Mary
Sun Apr 01 2012, 07:07PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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IamSmooth wrote ...

I have a question:

The scientist makes a calculation error and challenges a core principle. He turns out to be wrong. Does this really require resignation? I am not taking sides: I would just like to hear what others believe.

So far as I can understand it, his sin was to make a premature media announcement of a possible discovery without first going through the exhaustive verification and peer review that such an epoch-making claim most certainly needs. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary levels of proof.

Commercial pressure to monetize scientific discovery, publish-or-perish job insecurity in academia, and the need to come up with quick results to secure more funding often underlie both premature but innocently mistaken claims, (as I believe this to have been) and the scientific misconduct which has created a lot of bad publicity in recent years.
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Carbon_Rod
Mon Apr 02 2012, 04:09AM
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His only mistake was claiming the apparatus had already undergone structural verification prior to the announcement. It is not much different from amateur scientists glitching RMS meters, and claiming the whole apparatus defies thermodynamic laws (rather than fully investigating faulty data).

Unfortunately, with the perceived drop in public credibility the project is better off with a different representative.

Einstein wins again:
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Patrick
Tue Apr 03 2012, 01:28AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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What Proud Mary said is important, " Publish or Perish" that kind of ideology, (I see it in academia all the time) is causing to much crap to get through to the average person on the street, often claims or discoveries that had no buisness getting through a review committe.

There is to much pressure to get stuff out in the media that hasnt been verified. Many instituitions even have minimum quotas and expectations for this and that department. Even worse, the publishing world ( which will publish anything) is really pressing each and every month for new content to justify their own prestige and credibility (and to justify a subscription no doubt, $$$).

Science and Engineering isnt supposed to be glamorous, leave that kind of crap to Hollywood. We are supposed to be serving humanity, not the media or our boss' ego.
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