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How to protect Oscilloscope inputs from overvoltages?

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ifryd
Tue Mar 06 2012, 10:47PM Print
ifryd Registered Member #4215 Joined: Wed Nov 16 2011, 09:45PM
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As in subject... Do you use any protection circuits together with oscilloscope? I don`t want to blew my oscilloscope...

I bet I saw here such circuits here but I cannot find them now.

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Mattski
Wed Mar 07 2012, 03:44AM
Mattski Registered Member #1792 Joined: Fri Oct 31 2008, 08:12PM
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You could get some TVS diodes: Link2 they come in single diodes which protect against positive OR negative spikes, or back-to-back (anti-series?) packages which will protect against both positive AND negative spikes.

Or regular zener diodes, or MOV's: Link2
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Sulaiman
Wed Mar 07 2012, 05:42AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Use suitably rated 'scope probes and your intelligence.

ALWAYS ensure the 'scope is "earthed" via the power cable for YOUR protection.
(if the 'scope is mains powered)

If the circuit that you are going to probe has voltages greater than a few hundred volts present then use a high voltage probe.

My 'scope probes are almost always set to x10
this is mainly to minimise the load on the circuit under test
it also gives some protection for the 'scope inputs.

Over 40 years of 'scoping I've replaced probes many times due to mechanical failures
I've never blown a 'scope input.

Read and understand the 'scope probe specifications.

I have never added protection for the 'scope inputs as it would mess-up the frequency response ..e.g. capacitance of tvs/zener.

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ifryd
Thu Mar 08 2012, 12:11PM
ifryd Registered Member #4215 Joined: Wed Nov 16 2011, 09:45PM
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Thank you guys I see now scope probes are very important. They have internal protection...
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radiotech
Thu Mar 08 2012, 08:13PM
radiotech Registered Member #2463 Joined: Wed Nov 11 2009, 03:49AM
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Thank you guys I see now scope probes are very important. They have internal protection...

They do not. The probe will pass enough current to melt their cables if you use them unsafely.

For the type of applications with TCs and SMPS , the key factor is the voltage vs frequency

de-rating curves, mentioned previously as "understanding the specs".








1331237597 2463 FT135504 P6106
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Pinky's Brain
Thu Mar 08 2012, 08:45PM
Pinky's Brain Registered Member #2901 Joined: Thu Jun 03 2010, 01:25PM
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The only way I see to protect a scope is with a sacrificial buffer amplifier, you can put TVS on the output of that.
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Patrick
Thu Mar 15 2012, 06:48PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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yeah the TVS'es have appalling capacitence if not buffered, i was told by others here on the forum to use spark gap surge asrestors which are very fast and neglagable capacitience, i was going to use 90v breakdown ones on the tip of the probe, before the times 10 division circuit.
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Thomas W
Thu Mar 15 2012, 06:59PM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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when i first used my Oscilliscope probe, i failed using it and melted the entire thing :o
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teravolt
Fri Mar 16 2012, 04:25AM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
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I'm with Sulaiman know what you expect to mesure I bought a 100:1 probe with a 2500 volt rating. If you don't know you could make a basic resistive probe to get a idea of what you may be dealing with. You could invest in a isollation transformer. any 120, 240vac to 120, 240vac transformer will do for basic use. it does not have to be labratory grade. Just find a surplus place or ebay. the bigger the better. If you ground a probe make shure that the place you are grounding it to is connected to the same safty ground as your scope.
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