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How to trigger HV transformers

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thegreat
Sat Feb 25 2012, 09:56PM Print
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What I am really wondering is, how do they trigger a HV transformer to make a spark gap? For example, in t@ser guns, as far as I know, last HV coils (t2) primer is triggered by ~1000 volts with the help of a capacitor. What I dont understand is, how do they discharge a charged capacitor over the HV coil? With transistor???
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Pinky's Brain
Sat Feb 25 2012, 10:11PM
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Thyristors, IGBTs, MOSFETs, BJTs, tubes, triggered spark gaps ... almost everything which can switch high voltages has been used to discharge capacitors through high voltage transformer primaries at one time or another.
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Alex M
Sat Feb 25 2012, 11:13PM
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Usually its by a spark gap. Just like a spark gap tesla coil, the capacitors get charged up then the voltage across the gap is enough for the current to "jump" the gap creating a pulse of DC through the primary coil and creating a spark on the high voltage secondary coil. Timing can be controlled by the size of capacitor and spark gap distance.

It is how I made my homemade shocker anyway, I used a 0.047uF 2kv cap and a homemade step up transformer. The small internal spark gap was made using a piece of strip-board and the small gap between the traces. Works quite well. Powered by 2x AA battery's.
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thegreat
Sun Feb 26 2012, 12:21PM
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I am beginging to understand.but still confused...Can someone please tell me how this works???

Link2

Especially how spark gap pulse circuit works? I cannot see any component there. just conductors :S
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Alex M
Sun Feb 26 2012, 12:27PM
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This should explain it Link2
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Pinky's Brain
Sun Feb 26 2012, 12:54PM
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wrote ...
how this works???
Unreliably in the long term? That spark gap doesn't seem like it will keep a very constant breakdown voltage.
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thegreat
Sun Feb 26 2012, 02:29PM
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Alex1M6 wrote ...

This should explain it Link2


thanks for the info. I see some diodes upper left side of this image.

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What is it? Voltage multiplier? if so, how does voltage multiplier work with dc voltage?
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Pinky's Brain
Sun Feb 26 2012, 05:15PM
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If they are connected as in the schematic in Alex's link then they are simply rectifying diodes for a flyback converter, put in series to increase the voltage rating, and not a multiplier at all ...
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