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Stepping 12 volts up to 30 kV....at 1 mA?

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Inducktion
Sat Feb 25 2012, 02:38AM Print
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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Hey all. I need some help...

I've been told to make a 30 kV supply that can dish out 1 mA. Not hard, since it's only 30 watts of juice.

Problem is the supply is limited to 14 volts (at around 2 - 3 amps)

30 kV is preferably regulated, though I guess I could just modify the duty cycle manually to achieve it (I have a HV meter I can use to measure it)

Would a standard 555 timer flyback driver be able to achieve this? Or should I try something a little different, or maybe make it resonant, with a cap across the primary?

Or screw flyback topology drivers and go with a push pull halfbridge?

halp please
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teravolt
Sat Feb 25 2012, 03:19AM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
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a flyback circuit and a 3-6 stage dublier that is powered buy a SG3525 might work. it has all of the stuff in it to make it work so it would regulate. you would have to sample the output with a HV divider for feedback. maby some one has already done it. I know Patric has a thread about his.
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Sulaiman
Sat Feb 25 2012, 07:50AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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Since flyback transformers (LOPT here in UK) with > 30 kV rating are available
(I have 10x HR6549 35.5 kV rated ones ;)
and 1 mA is well within specifications, no multiplier would be required.
Some form of output or load capacitance would be required.

A 555 + mosfet with fixed duty cycle would provide a constant output POWER
so if the output current changes so will the output voltage.
Simple burst-fire = enable/disable feedback can be used for voltage regulation.

I would use UC2825 (high drive current) and PSMN8R7-80PS (low Rdson)
(both cheap/available) because they are what I have ,
this combination allows output voltage regulation and current limit.
(the first digit for UCxxx ics is temperature rating so UC1825 or UC3825 are similar)
The external component count for 555 and 2825 are similar.
Good quality/low-esr capacitors are required for the dc supply.
A new primary winding for the LOPT will be required.

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ScotchTapeLord
Sat Feb 25 2012, 02:53PM
ScotchTapeLord Registered Member #1875 Joined: Sun Dec 21 2008, 06:36PM
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I don't think you can use the flyback topology for this. The efficiency probably won't be high enough without some careful engineering (like Steve Ward's active snubber circuit).

If your supply sags to 12V under load, you'll need 2.5A for the 30W.
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teravolt
Sat Feb 25 2012, 04:22PM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
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if you want to have a regulated output you probly going to need a feedback loop to monitor the output
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Inducktion
Sat Feb 25 2012, 05:11PM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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Alright, he changed his requirements a bit.

Instead of 30 kV at 1 mA, we negotiated it to 25 kV (MIN) at 100 uA... that's a little easier to do.
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teravolt
Sat Feb 25 2012, 05:54PM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
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do you have to have current limmiting at 100u or up to 100u
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Inducktion
Sun Feb 26 2012, 06:33AM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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At 100 uA.
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Pinky's Brain
Sun Feb 26 2012, 04:52PM
Pinky's Brain Registered Member #2901 Joined: Thu Jun 03 2010, 01:25PM
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Just curious ... what's the plan? Diode split (DC) flyback with PWM drive and current limiter on the primary like Sulaiman suggested? With a repetitive avalanche rated MOSFET, TVS, (regenerative-)snubber or a hope and a prayer?
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teravolt
Sun Feb 26 2012, 05:27PM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
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what is the end application? 30kv with a series resistor of 150Mohm will give you 100ua. if you want current and voltage regulation it may be harder
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