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Adam Munich
Wed Feb 22 2012, 06:08AM Print
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Here's a design for a 50kV diode 'pcb' I whipped up in illustrator. Seeing as 50kV 1A diodes would be ungodly expensive, I suppose 50 1N4007's would be the next best thing.

Diode

Added those diamond gaps to prevent surface tracking, but I'd like to get a second opinion before I waste acrylic...

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ZakWolf
Wed Feb 22 2012, 06:20AM
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Wouldn't uf4007's be more efficient?

With high voltage diode strings do you have to worry about corona or arc over?
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Antonio
Wed Feb 22 2012, 01:33PM
Antonio Registered Member #834 Joined: Tue Jun 12 2007, 10:57PM
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Leakage along the string is not a great problem, but corona leakage due to high potentials at the ends of the string is. A PCB trace at 50 kV would emit corona in all directions. I think that it's safe to use this design in air for +/- 25 kV, but 50 kV-0 would be problematic. You can mount the string in a plastic tube filled with oil, if a small leakage is not a problem.
Take a look at microwave oven diodes. They are not too expensive, and support 12-15 kV, 500 mA, with extremely low leakage.
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Marko
Wed Feb 22 2012, 03:11PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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Grenadier wrote ...

Here's a design for a 50kV diode 'pcb' I whipped up in illustrator. Seeing as 50kV 1A diodes would be ungodly expensive, I suppose 50 1N4007's would be the next best thing.

Diode

Added those diamond gaps to prevent surface tracking, but I'd like to get a second opinion before I waste acrylic...



Well, to me this looks like an ungodly expensive PCB to make, unless you have a free access to a laser cutter or something.

You don't have to worry about surface tracking much, considering you don't ever want to see more than few hundred V over a single diode. A few mm of copper clearance between two diodes would likely be just ok, although you'll get corona anyway if you push the voltage very high.


I personally wouldn't even bother with a PCB though. Just solder a string of diodes, wind it around a smaller plastic tube and put the whole into a larger tube. Then pour some candle wax or resin over it.

Marko

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Adam Munich
Wed Feb 22 2012, 03:55PM
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I've found that diode strings tend to get too long and fragile, so I figured a zig-zag might be better.

1329926083 2893 FT134673 Ousrb1

Turned out pretty well. I suppose corona could be solved by dipping everything in wax or polyurethane.
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jpsmith123
Wed Feb 22 2012, 04:12PM
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So those diodes aren't actually attached to the plastic in any way, just the diode leads are soldered together?
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Adam Munich
Wed Feb 22 2012, 04:32PM
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Haven't soldered them yet, but no there is no attachment. More of a 'frame' than a pcb.
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Antonio
Wed Feb 22 2012, 11:42PM
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Did you make the acrylic pattern or just cut it from some part with this shape?
My HV diodes are also assembled in zigzag, but I used plain boards (5 kV diodes):
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Adam Munich
Wed Feb 22 2012, 11:51PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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I designed the pattern in illustrator and laser-cut it.
Now just need to find a use for that diode!

That Bennet's Doubler is pretty neat smile
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Dr. Slack
Thu Feb 23 2012, 08:09AM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned it yet, but 50 off 1kV diodes in series don't make a 50kV diode.

The first time you reverse bias them, some will turn off faster than others, see an excess share of the reverse voltage, and get killed - usually short-circuit which is good as then the series string keeps on working. This will leave you with a string of the more robust, better matched diodes, that you might hope will continue to work for a long time. But at less than 50kV.

The general rule of thumb for putting non-avalanche rated diodes in series is to run them at 50% of nominal PIV to allow for this.
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