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Piezo inverters and glow discharge plasmas

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Conundrum
Thu Feb 02 2012, 06:40PM Print
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Hi all.
Has anyone had any success getting two or more of these inverters to run with a frequency offset of a few hundred Hz?

I can't be the only person who has wondered about using them for glow discharge plasma experiments, in particular for building a solid state vacuum pump.

-A
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Pinky's Brain
Fri Feb 03 2012, 02:10PM
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Solid state plasma vacuum pump? So you mean you just have a barrier discharge tube with a positive grid at the high pressure end to attract the heavy ions and resupply them with electrons and a negative grid at the low pressure end to trap the electrons? Never heard of that, got a reference?

I don't see the relation with piezo transformers though ... they're compact, but I don't see why that would make them especially good at it.
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Proud Mary
Fri Feb 03 2012, 11:22PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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By 'solid state vacuum pumps' do you mean thin film getters, as we see inside the glass of some thermionic valves, André?
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Pinky's Brain
Sat Feb 04 2012, 12:42AM
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I think he means something like the paper "Aerodynamic flow acceleration using paraelectric and peristaltic electrohydrodynamic effects of a one atmosphere uniform glow discharge plasma" (no free version available).
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Conundrum
Sun Feb 05 2012, 12:47AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Yes, something like this.

The reason why I am attempting to use piezo transformers is that the peak currents can be much higher than conventional wound transformers.

Not least they are a lot lighter, and tend to fail gracefully i.e. lose output rather than catching fire like CCFL transformers do.

-A
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