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Penguin7471
Thu Jul 20 2006, 02:32PM Print
Penguin7471 Registered Member #71 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:23AM
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The internationally recognised frequencies for emergency radio beacons are 121.5 and 406 Mhz (there are some more but forget about that). Although satellite tracking for 121.5 Mhz transmitters will be terminated in 2009, they still work and to my knowledge nothing but emergency signals should be present +/- 6khz around that frequency.

I have a scanner which regularly picks up transmissions on frequency 121.5 Mhz, clearly from Airservices Australia (things like QNH, cloud cover and radar are mentioned in transmissions). And its not a scanner inaccuracy, because I've tested it with amateur transceivers to check that the right frequency is displayed. Also, the close call RF capture doesn't receive anything from the planes, so that may rule out the possibility that the receiver is being swamped.

Why is a government department using an internationally recognised distress frequency as air traffic control? Is it because transmission modes are different? I'm pretty sure EPIRBs are meant to let off a sweeping audio signal..? I'm missing something here, what is it?
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Steve Conner
Thu Jul 20 2006, 03:18PM
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It's probably an image response on your scanner.
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Penguin7471
Fri Jul 21 2006, 04:18AM
Penguin7471 Registered Member #71 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:23AM
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The signal is rather loud and clear though, and unless my scanner has one hell of a crappy image response rejection ratio, it wouldnt be. I'm not saying your wrong though, personally I have no idea what to think.
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Liam
Fri Jul 21 2006, 11:18AM
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You can have emergency communications on 121.5 if I'm not mistaken.
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Dave Marshall
Fri Jul 21 2006, 01:05PM
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I'm almost certain that it is an image response from the scanner. I've heard police communications clear as a bell smack in the middle of the 144Mhz amateur radio band. It took me several days to figure out that it was a scanner issue, and that the signal I was hearing was actually on 154Mhz.

Dave
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Steve Conner
Fri Jul 21 2006, 02:27PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Small handheld scanners probably have really pants image rejection. Doing image rejection right takes big hefty filters, and doing it over a wide range of frequencies takes a huge collection of these big filters. So to make the radio nice and small, they just leave them out.

I used to have an Icom IC-P4E which is a tiny 70cms handie. It was fine with the rubber duck antenna, but would pick up transmissions from ambulance radio as if they were on the local 70cms repeater, when I used it with an outdoor antenna. I tried using a big cavity filter and the problem went away, so I knew it was images.
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