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DC motor control with high frequency pwm

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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Dec 23 2011, 05:27PM Print
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Hi,
is there any problem with using say, 20 kHz drive frequency, for a single-switch step down controller running a dc permanent magnet motor directly (without any LC filter)? As I understand it, the hysteresis and eddy current losses shouldn't increase with frequency if the drive voltage isn't increased, is this right?
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Steve Conner
Fri Dec 23 2011, 05:32PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Don't think there's a problem, that's how the controllers in cordless drills and RC cars work.
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Harry
Fri Dec 23 2011, 06:18PM
Harry Registered Member #4081 Joined: Wed Aug 31 2011, 06:40PM
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So can I run a flyback from the guts of a handheld drill?
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Dec 23 2011, 06:22PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Ok thats great, thanks smile

Edit: Harry, this kind of controller isn't suitable for driving a transformer.
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Steve Conner
Fri Dec 23 2011, 06:27PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Well, it might do something, but don't try it with your brand new DeWalt as the risk of blowing up the drill would be high! :/ There's also a freewheel diode across the motor that would have to be removed, as it would kill the flyback spikes. These are unwanted in a motor drive but kind of important for driving a flyback.

Most cordless drills I've used make an audible squeal, implying the frequency is nearer 2kHz than 20, so try an ignition coil instead smile
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Harry
Fri Dec 23 2011, 06:34PM
Harry Registered Member #4081 Joined: Wed Aug 31 2011, 06:40PM
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Thanks, that's some great information. I'll keep trying to build a proper flyback circuit, I can never seem to get them right.
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radiotech
Sat Dec 24 2011, 02:19AM
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Hysteresis losses increase as frequency increases. Eddy current losses increase as the
square of the frequency in ironlike cores.
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Nik
Sat Dec 24 2011, 04:36PM
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
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I have seen a flyback run from a cordless drill but I don't think the drill lasted too long. The flyback had moderate performance.
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Harry
Sat Dec 24 2011, 08:30PM
Harry Registered Member #4081 Joined: Wed Aug 31 2011, 06:40PM
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What about a ballast and something to stop the voltage spikes going into the controller?
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