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Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:32AM Print
... Registered Member #56 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:02AM
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Lets start the forum of with something fun...
While I was torturing a 2n3055, and, I found that is you hooked up around 20v across the emitter/base junction (backwards) it glowed a kind of greenish yellow (but it looks yellow on the camera) 8), although it produced a more heat than anything else. I am guessing that it was producing around 10uW (it was just enough to see in a dark room), and it was drawing a full amp at 15v (a whooping .00001 % efficiency!). To run it for more than a few seconds required heat sinking...

The die...
1139462815 56 FT0 Off



And with the lights off...

1139462815 56 FT0 On



I suppose it you want to nit pick, it is a LET, but it is still just a pn junction that is glowing, so LED seems more appropriate...
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Dr. Shark
Thu Feb 09 2006, 12:24PM
Dr. Shark Registered Member #75 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 09:30AM
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This is a rather funny phenomenon: The voltage drop on a silicon PN-junction is only about .7V, whereas a photon of visible light carrys around 2 - 3eV. This suggest that what you are seeing is acutally not the usual LED action of an electron and a hole combining and giving off a photon, but maybe something like two-photon flourescence. Wait, not even two electrons have sufficient energy, but still I think this is at leat some kind of flourescence.

Someone shed some light on this, 10uW is not enough to see things clearly!
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Tesladownunder
Thu Feb 09 2006, 01:26PM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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That is very cool. It is reverse biased to 15V so should have the needed eV. Must try this myself with a good camera with lots of magnification and resolution. I have heaps of 2N30555's.

Peter
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Self Defenestrate
Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:22PM
Self Defenestrate Registered Member #87 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 01:36PM
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Is the silicon itself glowing or the metal deposits? 2n3055's are just as expesive as regular LED's here.
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Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:49PM
... Registered Member #56 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:02AM
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It glows in the space between the metal, it is the silicon glowing. Why I am not quite sure. I have a feeling that it has something to due with the breakdown the the gate/emitter junction (and thus it is a high voltage).
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Part Scavenger
Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:17PM
Part Scavenger Registered Member #79 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:35AM
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Don't all silcon P/N junctions glow when current is passed through? An LED is just a modification of this where it glows in the visible spectrum. That's what's in my textbook anyway.
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Tesladownunder
Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:42PM
Tesladownunder Registered Member #10 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 09:45AM
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Hey it works.
2N3055 base negative emitter positive 11.4 V current 400mA.

Camera has 2 sec exposure in darkened room with a plastic magnifying lens. Cropped pic is 900 pixels wide so reasonable detail when thumbnail opened.

Peter
1139506944 10 FT130 Ledtransistor
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Bjørn
Thu Feb 09 2006, 07:34PM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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I can confirm that it works. It did not emit enough light to get an accurate colour identification with the naked eye. It looked greenish but the eye is easily fooled at low light levels. The transistor was damaged before opening it and running at 12V 970mA.

1139513673 27 FT130 3055dark

1139513673 27 FT130 3055
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AndrewM
Thu Feb 09 2006, 10:33PM
AndrewM Registered Member #49 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:05AM
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would throwing some epoxy over it to exclude air make any difference?
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Marko
Thu Feb 09 2006, 10:41PM
Marko Registered Member #89 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 02:40PM
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interesting, that bjorn's looks more like filament than LED light !shy

Maybe next step could be making a flashlamp (single - use one) by hooking 2N to few kj capacitor bank... !lol
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