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Tame fireballs via laser air/water breakdown?

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Conundrum
Tue Nov 29 2011, 08:24AM Print
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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Hi all.

Just occurs to me that the latest 3-D "plasma" research uses water as a display medium.
It seems that the laser breakdown threshold for water is far lower than for air, and to make a bubble
which then flashes as it collapses (laser induced sonoluminescence?!) is a lot easier.
I think they also used ultrasound to initiate the breakdown and shim the ultrasound fields so it scans
the voxel space several times a second generating a flat sheet of discharges.

Recall the article about short lived fireballs from water when hit with a massive capacitor discharge via a shaped electrode?

Wonder if you could combine the two techniques to produce a laser plasma fireball from water, then apply enough RF energy
via a tuned field coil array (sort of like microwave plasma) and shim the fields to keep it in one place?

If salt water is used then the fireball would appear reddish-orange and could remain stable for tens of seconds in air.
As long as energy in > energy out then it should hold itself together with the aid of pressure from the atmosphere and
the strong poloidal magnetic fields present within the fireball itself.

Comments?
-A
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Inducktion
Tue Nov 29 2011, 03:35PM
Inducktion Registered Member #3637 Joined: Fri Jan 21 2011, 11:07PM
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Isn't it sort of like that electrolysis by microwave radiation thing I posted some time ago? It split water into hydrogen and oxygen, and the heat created by the microwaves caused it to ignite...
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radiotech
Wed Nov 30 2011, 08:01PM
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How close is this to ball or globe lightning?
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Conundrum
Wed Nov 30 2011, 08:34PM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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It isn't, the fireball is acting as a breakdown region in much the same way as in the microwave case.
What is interesting is that it can be initiated in open air without a highly dangerous microwave field..
Maybe Tesla's "pet fireball" was this, or a thin glass inert gas filled sphere that floated due to being fairly hot?
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